Worst Character Assassination Episodes

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  1. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Commodore Commodore

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    Whether it's sci-fi or Fantasy is completely irrelevant. The same principles of storytelling apply. And the problems with the later seasons of GoT weren't the fantasy elements, but that established characterizations, plot sturcture and often logic were thrown out of the window to make some sort of fanfic that only existed to deliver "shocking" twists and "kewl" one liners for the trailers.
    So the problems were independent of the setting and chiefly originated from bad writing.
     
  2. DonIago

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    FWIW, I felt the main issue with later seasons of GoT was that they tried to fit too much material into too short a runtime. In order to try to make it work they made compromises, including some of the things you mention, and ultimately while the series still had some high points, the overall story and some if not most of the characters suffered for it.

    I wish the series had continued the pacing established in the first season.
     
  3. Nerys Myk

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    I said GOT is fantasy. Where would you get the idea I said otherwise?
     
  4. MAGolding

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    It adds up to a Fantasy series with a lot of stuff that could be found in a historical documentary which focused on the shocking parts of history.
     
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  5. Swedish Borg

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    I agree, it's fantasy, but it's grim.
     
  6. Nerys Myk

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    So are a lot of Fairy Tales. :shrug:
     
  7. cooleddie74

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    Star Trek II and Star Trek III were so grim in parts that Star Trek IV almost became a straight-up comedy to balance them out and end the Spock dies/is reborn and brought back story arc on happy notes. Trek is no stranger to grim. It just balances the darkness with comedic moments and lighthearted episodes and films.
     
  8. fireproof78

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    So much so they were titled "Grim Fairy Tales."

    Or something like that ;)
     
  9. Serveaux

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    Science fiction is just a kind of fantasy.
     
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  10. Swedish Borg

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    Or mother goose...
     
  11. fireproof78

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  12. Swedish Borg

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    A man with an iron mask was said to be the twin of a French king, I believe Louis the XIVth. It's a legend of course but maybe it's the truth as well, we'll never know.

    Was there ever a king that had officially a twin brother?
     
  13. fireproof78

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    Possibly.

    In the movie only one Musketeer dies and Phillip replaces Louis.In the book three of the four Musketeers die and the plan fails. So happy of an ending too.
     
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  14. Bornin1980something

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    It used to.
     
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  15. Swedish Borg

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    But no longer.
     
  16. Bornin1980something

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    Exactly.
     
  17. cooleddie74

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    One of its best examples being the orderly passenger evacuation of the bomb/bus in SPEED.:cool:

    A college prof of mine considered WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? sci-fi.
     
  19. Oddish

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    Now that's just weird. But if half of what I've heard about college today is true, weird is par for the course in those places.
     
  20. Nerys Myk

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    I've a feeling @Foxhot 's college experience isn't from "today".