Why were the crew dismissive of Admiral Nechayev?

[Anwar]

I remember the theory that the Cadet XO of the Valiant in DS9 was possibly the lovechild of Nechayev and Picard, a fling they had years ago that drove a wedge between them.

 

[DonIago]

(laughs) I'm glad I'm not the only one who got a Nechayev vibe from her.

 

[BolianAuthor]

It seemed every time she came aboard, they also got rubbed the wrong way by her.

Surely the best of the best of all of Starfleet should realise that people are different, and that some people are more difficult than others. To be fair though, Picard did come around later in the series, and offered her canopies.

It seemed though that even in DS9, Nechayev rubbed off Sisko the wrong way too, and when dealing with the Cardassians. Was she somehow assigned by Starfleet Command to the Cardassian border?

Because she was a total GILF in a position of authority, and was a strict woman. They couldn't handle that.

 

[Ghrakh]

Hmmm.

 

[Mojochi]

I just think that many times when she pays a visit, it's to deliver orders that are unpleasant, & she never really seems to convey much genuine compassion, for the people who inherit the unpleasantry of those orders

I wouldn't say anyone was dismissive of her. Rubbed the wrong way, sure. Maybe even felt a bit strong-armed, or treated as insignificant. I wouldn't say that makes her a bitch, or a bad admiral, just one who'll likely not forge many personal friendships with her subordinates, because of her style

Frankly, I expect there to be a bulldog admiral (Who isn't evil, or wrong all the time) It is quite realistic, & I found it rather refreshing to have it played by a diminutive woman, who did a terrific job with it. When an actor can evoke a genuine emotional response from the audience, directed at the character, even when that response is dislike, they are doing something very right

 

[BolianAuthor]

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People don't like her because they're being jerks... look, it's the same thing with her as it was with Captain Jellico... Jellico came across as a hard-ass, because he was blunt, to-the-point, and adhered to the way of doing things by the book. He demanded no less that total efficiency. Nechayev is the exact same way. She comes across as bitchy and a hard-ass, because she is quick, to-the-point, and demanding. If Nechayev had been put in command of the Enterprise for any given mission, I'm sure the crew would have reacted to her the same way they did to Jellico... the only exception being that with her, they might not be so open about it, because she's an Admiral.

 

[Anwar]

Strange, the crew seemed to have respect for Nechayev. Maybe she wasn't their favorite person but they didn't have contempt for her and they always obeyed.

 

[indolover]

Nechayev started out as a character I hated during her first apperances, then came around to liking in later TNG, then hated in DS9 (granted it wasn't actually her), then liked/hated in the TNG novels.

In other words, I think probably exactly what the writers wanted me to think.

I don't think she's a bi-, though she certainly comes -off- as one at times...which is probably what she intends. I think a lot of people take issue with her because of her obvious friction with Picard and Sisko, but I tend to understand where she was coming from in those cases. At worst, I hate her argument that Picard should have returned Hugh to the Borg with the virus, but I can understand her position. And even if she didn't necessarily agree with the virus, she's talking to a man she has a difficult history with...she's not going to admit her doubts to him.

Kind of the Kai Winn of Starfleet I suppose, except (thankfully) much less driven by ambition.

but even if she was a bitch, so what?

Starfleet, like any other organisation, would be composed of people of different backgrounds and personalities. In a way it's like Jellico in Chain of Command. He came across as different to Picard, but that is his way and style of command. Clearly Starfleet felt highly of him, for him to sign the Cardassian treaty in the first place.

Nechayev also has a lot of sway, being Starfleet's top dog in the Cardassian border. but she has her own way of doing things, and it's her own business in the end.

The Enterprise-D crew seemed to be the best of the best, but their people skills could have used a lot of work lol. Thankfully, Picard saw sense in the end.

 

[sbk1234]

It's hard for me to believe that the old sexist double standard of a male being "tough and demanding" while a woman with a similar personality being labeled a "bitch" would stand up in a society as near-Utopian as TNG and even DS9, but I think that's as close to an answer as possible.

I dunno, maybe they just label the males the same way.

It's certainly how they treated Jellico.

But in Nechayev's case, it was probably because she was a genocidal maniac, as well as being personally unlikeable.

Refresh my memory. I don't remember her being genocidal. When did this happen?

 

[RoJoHen]

It's hard for me to believe that the old sexist double standard of a male being "tough and demanding" while a woman with a similar personality being labeled a "bitch" would stand up in a society as near-Utopian as TNG and even DS9, but I think that's as close to an answer as possible.

I dunno, maybe they just label the males the same way.

It's certainly how they treated Jellico.

But in Nechayev's case, it was probably because she was a genocidal maniac, as well as being personally unlikeable.

Yeah, I mean, even in an advanced culture, I'm sure some women are still bitches. Just like some men are still assholes.

 

[Anwar]

It's made clear repeatedly through all of Trek there were plenty of male assholes in Starfleet...

 

[Red Ranger]

The actress who played Nechayev often played assholes and, well, yes, bitches. She was an older cougar type who, in a ep of Designing Women, was dating Dixie Carter's son in the show, and was portrayed as a manipulative, scheming creature. Dixie Carter made a crack about the woman lying about her age by saying, "In DOG years!"

 

[USS Excelsior]

They should have called her Admiral Bitchayev.

 

[DonIago]

Charming.

Would you feel the same way if it had been a male admiral?

 

[Skywalker]

Charming.

Would you feel the same way if it had been a male admiral?

"Admiral Prickayev" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

 

[Ghrakh]

Charming.

Would you feel the same way if it had been a male admiral?

Nah, they would be sucking up to the person as if it were Jellico of someone...

 

[Sharla]

Because she is a bitch.

 

[DonIago]

Yes. All unlikeable professional women are, I suppose...

 

[Vanyel]

Yes. All unlikeable professional women are, I suppose...

[Francis Griffin]Now you're getting it![/Francis Griffin]

 

[MikeS]

It's hard for me to believe that the old sexist double standard of a male being "tough and demanding" while a woman with a similar personality being labeled a "bitch" would stand up in a society as near-Utopian as TNG and even DS9, but I think that's as close to an answer as possible.

I dunno, maybe they just label the males the same way.

It's certainly how they treated Jellico.

But in Nechayev's case, it was probably because she was a genocidal maniac, as well as being personally unlikeable.

Refresh my memory. I don't remember her being genocidal. When did this happen?

I think people are refering to her ordering Picard that if an opportunity like Hugh presents itself again he should do it.

I wouldn't refer to that as genocide though. Euthanasia, perhaps. And I agree with her.