Why wasn't Rand given a bigger role in the movies?

[Therin of Andor]

Other way around. Cassidy, in Ruk makeup, pretended to be Roddenberry during an appointment with a suit salesman...

Boy, I'm rusty this week.

 

[CaptainMatt]

Well I think she got the short end of the stick and wish she had had more to do with the early Trek productions. Unlike some, I think she did a commendable job in the Voyager episode "Flashback" and proved she could do more than just stand around waitin for someone to sign something before vanishing off the bridge again.

 

[Redfern]

Cassidy, in Ruk makeup, pretended to be Roddenberry during an appointment with a suit salesman (with GR himself pretending to be part of the production team). This was because Roddenberry wanted an objective opinion on whether the makeup was scary enough, so he sprung it on the unsuspecting salesman. But the salesman gamely proceeded with his sales pitch, and when "Gene" agreed to buy a dozen suits, the salesman was just about to take his formidable measurements when GR and the others broke up and let him in on the joke. (See Inside Star Trek, pp. 212-214.)

I remember reading that, too. It's even funnier if you imagine Cassidy talking with that thundering god-like voice.

But I have to wonder, several of the anecdotes with which we older fans grew up have been disputed and proven apocryphal. I fear myself growing suspicious of many if not all of them. It's kinda' like discovering there's no Santa. Afterwards, you feel like rebuking your parents and demanding, "So, what else did you tell me that's a lie?!"

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Therin of Andor]

But I have to wonder, several of the anecdotes with which we older fans grew up have been disputed and proven apocryphal. I fear myself growing suspicious of many if not all of them.

Well, I read chapters in books about Grace's participation in GR's antics, pretending to be new people's horrid secretary (in both the 60s and 1978) - and then I met Grace and she related the same stories. So there's no problem there. And, IIRC, Bob Justman and Fred Phillips have both related the Ruk Roddenberry tale.

We all knew the girl-painted-green story, too, wherein the lab kept colour correcting her pink again. It was decades later where we found out that green stand-in was Majel! (Strangely, I had the exact same experience getting negatives processed into enlargements in 1980, of me dressed as an Andorian. The photo shop apologized that my skin was bluish - and they'd cropped off the antennae in every shot!)

I've also met people who worked on TOS and they've all had GR stories to tell. Bjo Trimble has some in "On the Good Ship Enterprise", Susan Sackett has some in "The Making of ST:TMP", Walter Koenig has some in "Chekov's Enterprise". Leonard Nimoy has some joke GR "memos" in his books.

While I think of it, I was on the receiving end of of one of GR's gags in January 1984. I'd run at the appointed time to speak to Susan Sackett and GR answered. I wandered away from the phone box wondering just who I'd spoken to - and found out the next day, from Bjo Trimble and Richard Arnold, that I was the victim of a phone prank from the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself.

 

[Harvey]

Yeah, the Ruk gag is described in Inside Star Trek: The Real Story.

The book also describes the gag played on John D.F. Black -- and their take on the story is very different than the way the incident is described in The Making of Star Trek.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I spoke to her a few weeks ago and she still refers to herself as being "in recovery". Boy is she a kick in the pants to talk to, though.

Folks who recover in and then continue to participate in twelve-step programs most often refer to themselves as perpetually "in recovery;" the folks who call themselves "recovered" are a pretty small minority. It's just an idiosyncrasy of the subculture that really only means something to the participants.

 

[Therin of Andor]

It's just an idiosyncrasy of the subculture that really only means something to the participants.

It says plenty. It's an acknowledgement of how easy it is to fall off the wagon.

 

[Christopher]

It is anything but an idiosyncrasy. It's absolutely true. Once you've become addicted to a drug, you cannot stop being addicted to it (at least, not with current medical science); the most you can do is stop using the thing your body and brain have become conditioned to crave. But the temptation will always be there, and resisting it is a lifelong process, one day at a time. Hence recovering, not recovered.

 

[Ssosmcin]

This is the best thread I've read in a long time. Lots of really good info and stories, and Grace love. She's tops.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It is anything but an idiosyncrasy. It's absolutely true.

Jesus Christ. I guess I should know better.

The terminology is an idiosyncracy of the subculture. The folks who call themselves "recovering" don't have an observably better or worse success rate than those who call themselves "recovered," any more than the folks who use only their given names have better success than those who identify with their full names.

You're welcome to believe whatever you like, of course, but do yourselves the favor of accepting that I'm fully informed on these matters.

 

[CaptainMatt]

How so, Legion?