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Why the hate for Alex Kurtzman?

Here I thought it was "Post Apocalyptic Time-Line" Universe StarFleet.

Where StarFleet & the UFP is a shell of it's former self due to a Galaxy wide Apocalyptic event.

That was just the backstory they came up with, which lasted for ten episodes. Everything else wasn't all that different.
 
All I know, is that I don't agree with the changes in the Gorn. At the same time, it has driven a lot of great conversation.

Change can be good, and it can be bad, at the same time.
Here's my thing-the current branch of Trek producers are not trying much that is new. It's rubber stamped comfort food, like hamburger helper that I make from time to time because the family generally likes it.

I might get shit for daring to find Georgiou interesting but at least it's not rubber stamped captain is the hero of the week on the latest alien planet. She had to go through some shit.

Same with the spore drive. A whole realm of unknowables out there that could be a completely alien environment. Or the subspace aliens.

Be weird, and wacky and makee think. Don't make me look at a checklist of canonical references.
 
The way SNW changed the Gorn would be something a canon reviewer would've red-pencilled in pitch meetings.

You're not being very consistent here.
Depends on how you analyze the situation.

What did the fanbase know of the Gorn before it came out in SNW?

Beta Canon has more details, but that's Beta Canon.
We aren't beholden to it.

We haven't actually had many episodes featuring "The Gorn" in it outside of TOS.

Any mention of them is usually in passing reference to them.

Writing on them was as close to a "Blank Slate" as you can get for writing earlier backstory on "The Gorn" as a species as you can get.

So I don't see much issue with how SNW handled them.
 
You're moving the goalposts, so I don't see how I can take your arguments seriously.
Okay, your free to interpret things as you see fit.

I'll interpret it how I see fit.

I don't think the Gorn issue was nearly as big of an issue as you made it out to be.

But that's my perspective.
 
Same with the spore drive. A whole realm of unknowables out there that could be a completely alien environment.

This is something that I think is an incredibly underrated concept, that really didn't amount to much in the series, except as a gateway to more nostalgia.
 
Depends on how you analyze the situation.

What did the fanbase know of the Gorn before it came out in SNW?

Beta Canon has more details, but that's Beta Canon.
We aren't beholden to it.

We haven't actually had many episodes featuring "The Gorn" in it outside of TOS.

Any mention of them is usually in passing reference to them.

Writing on them was as close to a "Blank Slate" as you can get for writing earlier backstory on "The Gorn" as a species as you can get.

So I don't see much issue with how SNW handled them.
I generally agree but there are many here who would argue that you must bend the continuity because Arena was written as a first contact situation and not a flair up in an ongoing border dispute.

So continuity is not completely adhered too, especially since Spock should know.


So continuity is not perfect but got bent (or broken, depending on your POV) in the name of drama.
 
This is something that I think is an incredibly underrated concept, that really didn't amount to much in the series, except as a gateway to more nostalgia.
Eh....I would disagree because it was used to bring back Culber and have Tilly make first contact.

Yes, it wasn't used well, but when it was it was pretty darn good.

Mileage, blah blah blah.
 
Eh....I would disagree because it was used to bring back Culber and have Tilly make first contact.

Yes, it wasn't used well, but when it was it was pretty darn good.

Mileage, blah blah blah.
The idea that the use of the spore drive was harmful and did physical damage to the world was something I'd wished they'd continue with past season 2, but sadly that got dropped.
 
I generally agree but there are many here who would argue that you must bend the continuity because Arena was written as a first contact situation and not a flair up in an ongoing border dispute.

So continuity is not completely adhered too, especially since Spock should know.


So continuity is not perfect but got bent (or broken, depending on your POV) in the name of drama.
And this is why I subscribe to the 4x Time-Lines idea.

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It solves so many "In-consistency" issues with TOS.
 
Irrelevant.

The artists state it's one way and cannot be bent just because we disagree.

I generally disagree with this, because each viewer is going to interpret stories in their own way. The magic of the human brain.
 
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