Why the hate for Alex Kurtzman?

[Char Kais]

And yet, there are those who would rather Star Trek died 20 years ago, then continue the way it has.

I don't understand those people.

I believe their argument is that it should have died and remained dead instead of "walking around like a zombie, a mindless shell of what it once was" now. (Their line of argument, not mine.)

I already touched on that.

It's also a logical fallacy to say that after 2005, the direction Abrams/Kurtzman took Star Trek was the only possible way for Star Trek to move forward.

Someone else should have been put in charge of Star Trek.
Someone who has not written a Michael Bay movie or has multiple Golden Raspberries (and who is not involved with CW shows and sexy vampire teen romance drama shows).

Naren Shankar
Ronald D Moore
Kevin Feige

 

[fireproof78]

Someone else should have been put in charge of Star Trek.

Since we cannot go back in time and change what is the proposal now?

How does Star Trek as a franchise move forward and fans make peace with what is done? Or is IDIC only for Lincoln Enterprises?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Someone else should have been put in charge of Star Trek.
Someone who has not written a Michael Bay movie or has multiple Golden Raspberries (and who is not involved with CW shows and sexy vampire teen romance drama shows).

This is why you fail.

 

[BillJ]

Someone else should have been put in charge of Star Trek.
Someone who has not written a Michael Bay movie or has multiple Golden Raspberries (and who is not involved with CW shows and sexy vampire teen romance drama shows).

Most actors, writers, directors, producers put out many turds. Sometimes what looks good on paper doesn't end up working on screen.

It is simply the nature of the business.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Naren Shankar

Guy was an EP on CSI, that alone should disqualify him.

Ronald D Moore

He runs that glorified Romance Novel Outlander

Kevin Feige

The Marvel guy? I thought we wanted less CGI spectaculars not more. Dude also EPed on the worst Spider-Man films and X-Men the Last Stand!!!!!

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Since we cannot go back in time and change what is the proposal now?

How does Star Trek as a franchise move forward and fans make peace with what is done? Or is IDIC only for Lincoln Enterprises?

Personally I feel like I'm still waiting for another shoe to drop when it comes to Disco and Strange New Worlds' connection to the rest of the shows. We've been given hints that it all happened, that they're not an alternative universe or visual reboot, but I could really do with an episode or arc to tie them together firmly and say Enterprise leads to Disco leads to SNW leads to TOS leads to TNG. To close the door on that uncertainty and ambiguity and let everyone move on. That's the only way we'll approach any kind of peace.

And when it comes to the showrunners, I think they're only as good as the talent they attract. Roddenberry brought in science fiction authors like Richard Matheson, Theodore Sturgeon and Harlan Ellison. TNG hired Michael Piller, Ronald D Moore, and Melinda M. Snodgrass (whose experience as a lawyer got us Measure of a Man), and so on. Kurtzman brought in Mike McMahan to run Lower Decks, and the folks who did Prodigy, so it's not like he's avoiding talented writers who know the universe, but it feels like the live action shows are missing people with a passion for science fiction and thoughtful storytelling.

 

[Danja]

Someone else should have been put in charge of Star Trek.
Someone who has not written a Michael Bay movie or has multiple Golden Raspberries (and who is not involved with CW shows and sexy vampire teen romance drama shows).

Naren Shankar
Ronald D Moore
Kevin Feige

Ron Moore has had his time with the franchise.

The Berman era ended in 2005. It's time to move on.

Rick Berman produced his share of clangers ("Threshold", anyone? What about "Sub Rosa" and "Move Along Home"?)

 

[fireproof78]

Rick Berman produced his share of clangers ("Threshold", anyone? What about "Sub Rosa" and "Move Along Home"?)

These are the Voyages.

 

[BillJ]

Personally I feel like I'm still waiting for another shoe to drop when it comes to Disco and Strange New Worlds' connection to the rest of the shows. We've been given hints that it all happened, that they're not an alternative universe or visual reboot, but I could really do with an episode or arc to tie them together firmly and say Enterprise leads to Disco leads to SNW leads to TOS leads to TNG. To close the door on that uncertainty and ambiguity and let everyone move on. That's the only way we'll approach any kind of peace.

I just need the shows to be good shows, in their own right. Not because of being anchored to what came before. At some point, people are going to burn out on nostalgia.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

It's not nostalgia, it's connection!

 

[Danja]

These are the Voyages.

 

[BillJ]

It's not nostalgia, it's connection!

I understand what you're trying to drive at, but once you start talking about stories that connect them all, the nostalgia would be a given.

 

[fireproof78]

I just need the shows to be good shows, in their own right. Not because of being anchored to what came before. At some point, people are going to burn out on nostalgia.

People have.

For some reason there's a driving force to keep coming back despite intense disappointment with Star Trek. A need to still consume despite lack of enjoyment.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We've been given hints that it all happened, that they're not an alternative universe or visual reboot, but I could really do with an episode or arc to tie them together firmly and say Enterprise leads to Disco leads to SNW leads to TOS leads to TNG.

That sounds like connect the dots storytelling. Never a good thing.

Kurtzman brought in Mike McMahan to run Lower Decks, and the folks who did Prodigy, so it's not like he's avoiding talented writers who know the universe, but it feels like the live action shows are missing people with a passion for science fiction and thoughtful storytelling.

SNW seems to manage it. Goldsmans is by all accounts a fan. I'd say season four of DISCO was about as heavy SF as Trek gets.

 

[BillJ]

Personally, I would love for them to say, "we're out to create the best Star Trek stories possible, viewers can figure out how they all fit together."

 

[fireproof78]

Personally, I would love for them to say, "we're out to create the best Star Trek stories possible", viewers can figure out how they all fit together.

Same. Tell good stories the writers are passionate about. Commit to it hard and let it stand on its own.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Personally, I would love for them to say, "we're out to create the best Star Trek stories possible, viewers can figure out how they all fit together."

They did that, it clearly hasn't worked.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They did that, it clearly hasn't worked.

There are viewers and the are viewers. Most are the former. The rest post in places like this

 

[BillJ]

They did that, it clearly hasn't worked.

No, they didn't. From the creation of Discovery forward, they have been very vocal about how this is all Prime and how it all fits together with previous Trek.

I wish they were as concerned about writing the best stories possible.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No, they didn't. From the creation of Discovery forward, they have been very vocal about how this is all Prime and how it all fits together with previous Trek.

I wish they were as concerned about writing the best stories possible.

Saying that is just PR.

I know you're not a fan, but SNW is knocking it out of the park in the "best stories possible" area.