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Why the hate for Alex Kurtzman?
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I bet it was Lower Decks known for the emotional maturity of its writers.
I suspect that vast majority of viewers didn't give a shit what the Klingons looked like.
Not every person who watches the show is a hardcore fan or Trekkie. I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of people who watched the show did so because it was something new to watch and they've got nothing against Star Trek. Same reason why the J.J. Abrams movies were made to appeal to a wider audience than just Trekkies. The hardcore fans who truly care what a Klingon is supposed to look like, make up only a small percentage of the viewing audience.
For Discovery, they wanted Klingons to be scary aliens. The space vikings we'd seen in the previous shows were a lot of things, scary was never one of them. So they made them be something a little more alien for the mass audience to fear, called them Klingons, and the vast majority of viewers went... "OK, that's a Klingon." and moved on.
So was TMP.
I don't see efforts to excise it from continuity.
And Lower Decks makes jokes about Q too. Can we get rid of him? Please?!?
They should be flung out an airlock for their heresy
When Brian Bonsall was cast as Alexander in TNG, fans were asking, "They couldn't find an African-American actor?"
Perhaps the producers wanted to put the attention on the character and not the actor's skin color.
So if it was such a successful artistic expression, why did they change it?
If the powers that be thought it was working, that the fans didn't care, they wouldn't have changed it.
They saw the backlash from fans who thought it sucked and started changing them back in season 2.
It did make me cringe at the makeup they put on the child actor, it looked like brownface. They should have left him with his natural skin tone.
They should have stuck with the courage of their production convictions as the producers did for TMP.
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It engendered a great deal of controversy back then.
That had to have been a tough thing for Brian to go through at his age.
Successful artistic expression and positive fan reaction are not the same thing.
I think that helped create a rift in fandom. Not because they were different, but because they were supposed to be the same Klingons we always watched. Simply put, they couldn’t have it both ways. Eventually, they figured that out.
Honestly, they even had to walk them back, to some degree.
Then I can understand why some fans said they should have just chosen a natural brown faced actor whether African American or mixed heritage since K'Ehleyr was played by a white actor.
What doesn't create a rift in fandom?
The bumpies were supposed to be the same Klingons as the ones from TOS too. Rod in heaven declared this to be true!!!! Until the heretic lackeys of Bermaga had their way and even then they had their gagh and ate it too!!!!
They tinkered with the make up with every movie. TSFS did a pretty major refit on the TMP look.
Exactly. The Klingons are the most changed race in all of Star Trek. Wake me up when they change the design for the humans.
Even novelists have editors and friends to steer them back on track when something isn't working out. Art like this isn't produced in a vacuum and a stubborn refusal to listen to feedback isn't always a virtue.
I think the problem was how the redesign clashed with the rest of what we knew/seen in the rest of Trek. I struggle to see humans being eager to mate with this particular version or that I see this version as a bunch that would go around quoting Shakespeare and openly intermingling with humans. When they redesigned them for TMP, there simply wasn’t as much lore involving them. There weren’t human/Klingon hybrids running around.
I understand they wanted a more alien threat that would actually be scary. Same thing with SNW and the Gorn. Unfortunately, where the Klingons were concerned there was too much already there to make this group seem remotely compatible with what came before. It being compatible with what came before was a big selling point of Discovery.
As their own thing, I see nothing wrong with the Fuller Klingons. As part of the “Prime” Trek universe, they simply didn’t fit as Klingons.
All in my opinion.
Neither is kowtowing to pressure.
The lack of commitment isn't just in dialing back on changes but also in the narrative told. This isn't taking feedback; it's giving up at the first bump.
I still see bumpy headed aliens just taken a little further towards the alien, as was done in TMP.
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