Why is Janeway hated so much?
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she was written very inconsistently, taking different positions on the same type of issue, causing her to look like a hypocrite as a result. The acting was fine, she did as well as she could with it.
Archer is actually much worse as a captain, Janeway may have been an inconsistent hypocrite, but Archer was just incompetent and dim.
Archer is actually much worse as a captain, Janeway may have been an inconsistent hypocrite, but Archer was just incompetent and dim.
At first I didn't like Kate Mulgrew's voice but I have no problem with it now.
The problem I do have is that she had little comeraderie on the ship. I think the closest she ever got to anyone was 7 of 9. Probably my favorite Voyager moment is when Janeway talks 7 down in the shuttlecraft in Conspiracy. Classic Trek Captain Monologue(TM).
The problem I do have is that she had little comeraderie on the ship. I think the closest she ever got to anyone was 7 of 9. Probably my favorite Voyager moment is when Janeway talks 7 down in the shuttlecraft in Conspiracy. Classic Trek Captain Monologue(TM).
You junxon when I've proposed that Janeway was actually Chakotay's beard I never meant that literally..
She does, doesn't she.
I'd like to see that beard after a month stranded on a planet, SCRUFFY JANEWAY!!
Also, do you think you could do it a bit ginger? I make exceptions to my beard antipathies when they are a bit ginger.
I'd like to see that beard after a month stranded on a planet, SCRUFFY JANEWAY!!
Also, do you think you could do it a bit ginger? I make exceptions to my beard antipathies when they are a bit ginger.
That's okay. I'll just imagine that she has dyed it as part of being undercover and that the natural color is the same as her head 
It is beautiful.
It is beautiful.
All the characters of Voyager suffered the same problem. The writers failed to keep their behavior regular and identifiable.
Yeah I could hardly tell any of them apart!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDa4rs7T_z0
I love that scene in the shuttlecraft.
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However, that's not the only scene I love...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TZrjuSUuW8
We don't call her "Mama Janeway" for nothing!
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This isn't the best Mama/Harry scene, but its a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR9dMJGmMIU
I love the end of "Timeless" myself.
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Or the funeral/eulogy scene in "Coda".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiCaGVYMAEE
I like B'Elanna's part in the scene too.
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But she's not just a "Mama"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAScs12zLtM
...she's a friend too.
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I think its telling that many of us forget the importance of that particular friendship to her.
She may love Chakotay... on New Earth.
She may love her "kids"... human, borg, klingon hybrid alike.
But it was TUVOK that Admiral Janeway used to PUSH Captain Janeway over the edge, in "Endgame".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSaysJb36QU
ADMIRAL: Seven isn't the only one. Between this day and the day I got Voyager home, I lost twenty two crew members. And then of course there's Tuvok.
JANEWAY: What about him?
ADMIRAL: You're forgetting the Temporal Prime Directive, Captain.
JANEWAY: The hell with it.
ADMIRAL: Fine. Tuvok has a degenerative neurological condition that he hasn't told you about. There's a cure in the Alpha quadrant but if he doesn't get it in time. Even if you alter Voyager's route, limit your contact with alien species, you're going to lose people, but I'm offering you a chance to get all of them home safe and sound today. Are you really going to walk away from that?
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^Of everyone you just mentioned, Tuvok was her oldest friend. It's not surprising that she'd be deeply moved by anything that would happen to him.
--Sran
--Sran
Jealousy.
As for the misogynistic argument... it makes me think of my psych professor who used to say she hated arguing with Freudians. If she said she didn't agree with their contention that conflict arose from one's unconscious sexual attraction to one's mother or father... then THEY argued her refusal to believe OBVIOUSLY means she WAS attracted.
Reasonable people can disagree... but I feel compelled to explain the "cult" response.
So many of we Janeway fans have been exposed to SO MUCH negative hyperbole over the years, that we naturally have said "ENOUGH" and have taken to the internet to be AS vociferous, AS boisterous as the "anti Janeway" cultists.
When I first stumbled upon this board back in 2001, there was an additional board for Janeway fans, called "Cult of the Coffee Goddess" or some such nonsense.
You cannot embrace being a cult--and I do believe it was a self-deprecating joke--and then blast people who laugh at that by calling them misogynist.
There are many boards and facebooks for Janeway fans, not nonsense but fun. There's far more sites for slash fans.
At times there have people posting their hate for Janeway using misogynistic terms. It's not a leap to read it and think her gender has something to do with the hate since they use anti-women commentary to critique her. No this is not everyone who dislikes the character by any means. But it's not like it doesn't exist.
At times there have people posting their hate for Janeway using misogynistic terms. It's not a leap to read it and think her gender has something to do with the hate since they use anti-women commentary to critique her. No this is not everyone who dislikes the character by any means. But it's not like it doesn't exist.
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I'm not doing that, but I do think there are people out there who feel put upon because of the anti-Janeway bile spewed week after week "back then". I avoided this board because of it while the show was on TV.
I agree that it's incorrect to assume that everything negative said against Janeway / Voyager is necessarily related to an anti-female bias. Still, I think its fair to wonder why SHE'S engendered so much "hate".
Do we "hate" Picard, or Sisko, or Archer?
Or do we just complain about their failings.
I've checked the Ent forum... and no thread claims Archer is the worst or asks why he's hated... just that "there's no love" for Archer.. or that he's "lame".
Same in DS9... no one claims Sisko is "the worst", although at least 1 poster in that forum must have blinders on since one thread claims DS9 never lost any market share in its 7 year run. Hmmm, if that was true why did they draft Worf?
In fact, per the 1999 article at trekkbbs, DS9's ratings did drop during its tenure...
http://www.trektoday.com/articles/ratings_history.shtml
...as it did for all 4 versions of the TV shows.
Do I belong to the cult of Janeway, or to that larger cult called Star Trek?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6xM4txpwQ0
Hmmm.
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I adored Janeway.
Always have.
Always will.
Although I loved Sam Beckett...
I merely tolerated Archer.
I liked Sisko, really liked him.
Always have.
Always will.
I loved Picard.
Always have.
Always will.
I loved Kirk.
Well, except maybe for the final TOS episode, "Turnabout Intruder".
JANICE: Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women. It isn't fair.
KIRK: No, it isn't. And you punished and tortured me because of it.
...
KIRK: Her life could have been as rich as any woman's, if only. If only.
"If only she had let me love her and leave her like all the other women!"
I'm confused.
