Why is Janeway hated so much?

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  1. Captain Clark Terrell

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    ^I don't get it either. The only metaphor I've heard butterflies used in has to do with extreme nervousness.

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  2. Gov Kodos

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    Janeway and Butterflies

    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0S_h9dPY4s[/yt]
     
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  4. Vulcan Logician

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    Awesome vid, Kodos.
     
  5. Gov Kodos

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    Thanks, Janeway is just above all the hate, as can be seen here.

    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXza8MH7KD0[/yt]
     
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  7. scarecroe

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    Aw, how could anyone hate Janeway? She's got all the best attributes of both Kirk and Picard. Love her!
     
  8. Lance

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    I love the way Mulgrew plays the lines sometimes. She's got this wonderful, almost Shatner-ian delivery down pat. I seriously sometimes wonder if she actually used to do it on purpose.
     
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    She kind of talks like that anyway.
     
  10. Vulcan Logician

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    Anyway, curious R. Star, who is your favorite Captain?

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    :crazy: how can so many ppl be so wrong... the show is a great combo of a horrible actress, a capt who throws away the prime directive more than all the previous captains put together, a starship that looks like a toilet seat cover & nacelles that serve no purpose to rise before going to warp :rolleyes:

    Every time I hear her talk, I want to scream " I AM A ROBOT" or "I AM THE REAL BORG QUEEN, CAN'T YOU TELL BY THE WAY I SPEAK" :guffaw:
     
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  12. LJones41

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    All of the TREK captains have either made bad decisions or behaved in a way that made me question their ability to command. All of them. And yet, all of them have also proven to be very good at their job. So, I never understood this extreme criticism of Janeway, unless it has something to do with her gender.



    I didn't really find that funny. I guess I'm not a "SOUTH PARK" fan.
     
  13. Relayer1

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    True, but they weren't played by Kate Mulgrew...
     
  14. fireproof78

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    To be fair, I think Archer is equally unqualified, and might be worse than Janeway in command ability.

    But, of all the things I didn't care for in Voyager, Janeway was not one of them. Aside from some lame writing moments, Mulgrew's performance was just fine.
     
  15. Relayer1

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    We'll have to agree to differ on that one...
     
  16. BillJ

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    Every major character/actor has his or her own hate club. Just the way of things.
     
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    This is how I feel about these "why the hate" questions too. I think a lot of "captain hate" or character hate of any kind is over-represented on the internet relative to reality. I think there are more fans of any given captain more than there are haters. I personally like all the captains. I have my favorites (KIRK 4 LYFE) but I like them all.
     
  18. Shawnster

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    Easy. If Janeway was wearing the bun of steel, we were getting the stiff-ass, non compromising iron lady. If she wasn't, then we were getting the emotionally vulnerable Janeway.

    :takes out doll: Show me on this doll where Star Trek touched you.

    3 years... I figured it was time.
     
  19. Clyda

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    Kate Mulgrew is not my idea of a “great” actress, but she handled the role of Captain Janeway okay. The one thing that annoyed me the most about her as Captain Janeway was the fact that her voice sounds like she’s been in hai The one thing that annoyed me the most about her as Captain Janeway was the fact that her voice sounds like she’s been inhaling helium. Annoying to the nth degree.”

    Kind of ironic that Jerry Ryan’s sex appeal was what she was most annoyed with in boosting the ratings of the show. Why? Because comparatively, Jerry Ryan was, and is, a far more talented performer than Kate Mulgrew. Sex appeal aside, Ryan totally held her own with Mulgrew in acting talent and skill. Her ability to portray authentic confrontational scenes knocked it out of the park every single time. 100% believability, and her comic timing was genius. What Kate Mulgrew had to struggle to pull off came effortlessly to Jerri Ryan.
     
  20. Clyda

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    I don't "hate" captain Janeway. Kate Mulgrew is not my idea of a “great” actress, but she handled the role of Captain Janeway reasonably well. Nothing breathtaking, but adequate. I know it may sound unfair or trivial, but the one thing that annoyed me the most about her performance as Captain Janeway was the fact that her voice sounds like she’s been been inhaling helium. Very hard to ignore, and I know that's unfair. I once read a comment which remarked that her voice sounded like “Eartha Kitt with a hairball.” Funny, but a bit harsh. She definitely played her "husky" voice quite a bit.

    Also, I find it kind of ironic that Jerry Ryan’s sex appeal boosting the show’s ratings was what Mulgrew stated that was most annoyed with– I thought a woman's looks didn't matter, Ms. Mulgrew.

    Anyway, why do I find it ironic? Well, first off, because comparatively, Jerry Ryan was, and is, a far more talented performer than Kate Mulgrew. Mulgrew always seemed affected and artificial to me, her style suggested that she practiced her role in front of a mirror for hours. On the other hand, painted on outfit or not, Ryan’s performances flowed out of her effortlessly with zero sense of contrived artifice. It's sort of like the difference between the acting styles of Bob Hope and Lawrence Olivier– both entertaining, but hardly the same thing.

    Second, for someone who wanted to be seen as a “feminist role model of leadership for women,” Mulgrew's on-set resentment of Ryan’s appearance was really telling. Basically, it says that a woman is always judged on appearance, even by other women, perhaps especially by other women:

    • If she’s “homely, but smart,” she'll be boring, but talented. Let's applaud!
    • If she’s stunning, well, clearly she’s a slut who exploits her looks to make up for a lack of talent and intelligence– because everyone knows a beautiful woman can’t be talented or smart or moral.
    An extremely handsome man is far more likely to be recognized as talented and capable, and far less likely to be resented by co-stars.

    Sex appeal aside, Ryan’s work absolutely held up in scenes with Mulgrew. Her ability to portray authentic confrontational scenes and complex and intense internal struggles totally knocked it out of the park every single time. 100% credibility. Oh, yeah, and her comic timing is sheer genius.