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Why introduce the Klingons so soon?

having Klaang be an Andorian would have fit nicely with this.

Sure, but Rick Berman had always been convinced, since TNG, that the Andorian makeup was "hokey", and antennaed aliens to "60s sci fi". As if to prove him right, the two appearances of an Andorian in TNG were hokey.

"The Andorian Incident" was originally proposed as "The Gorn Incident", until Brannon Braga pointed out that Kirk's battle with the Gorn was a first contact situation. From there they started investigating whether the Andorians could be achieved through improvements/miniaturation to radio-controlled puppeteering for the antennae, and to achieve makeup effects not possible even during the time of TNG.
 
Of course, on the other hand the Broken Bow crash landing and Klaang now make Picard's line in the Malcorian episode "First Contact(TNG)" about Klingon-human first contact having happened "centuries ago" sound more logical, since "centuries" implies at least TWO(200 years) passing since the event and 2151 is 216 years before that TNG episode(2367).

Oh, it does fit what we knew about it pretty well, and I'm not saying that they shouldn't have had it happen at all during the series... but seriously, the first damn episode? Lazy overexposure. And I like Klingons. I really do. But even 'Voyager' snuck in a shipfull of Klingons, and they were in the Delta Quadrant (not that it wasn't a decent episode.) But good grief.

I agree that this was the laziest choice possible, and seeing Klaang at the beginning 'Broken Bow' was the first of several such lazy disappointments I felt at the pilot.

I think it would have been much better had it been a very angry Andorian. They're warriors, and by no means overexposed, plus they're still fairly antagonistic in the 2260s. Others have suggested having the Vulcans and Andorians be in some kind of Cold (or Hot) War as the series opens, and having Klaang be an Andorian would have fit nicely with this.

That would've been fun, having both sides attempt to pressure Earth into joining their side. Of course, some people would welcome the chance to fight the Vulcans, who have been the de facto masters of a vassal Earth for nearly a century. On the other hand, people would remember how the Vulcans have defended them from the more aggressive species (specifically the Andorians!) and be loyal to the Vulcans. Most people would be really conflicted between these two motivations--especially Captain Archer.

That was more or less what I was imagining. Imagine if the first episode featured an Andorian/Vulcan battle near Earth, and a Xindi-attack type accidental attack on Earth, making Earth kick itself in the pants and finally giving itself the impetus to push into space. Then Earth in turn later ends up negotiating a peace between them (due to Romulan proxy terrorism and interference on both sides) and that's why they stand by Earth to found the Federation. Also, bringing Terra Prime into the mix sooner would have made a lot of sense too - and would have gone a long way of proving these aren't the 'perfect' humans of TNG a lot quicker.

If they needed it to be Klingons, it should have been a Klingon invasion fleet, and the Vulcans plus Enterprise stopping them at the gates of Earth. That's a pretty disastrous first contact.
I don't know... I prefer a 'Broken Bow' type incident (perhaps instigated by Romulan influence) where human do-goodery clashes with the Klingon honor, and that in turn leads to a political disaster that leads to an invasion fleet that the Vulcans, Andorians, and Earth have to face down, but eventually figure out a way to convince them to leave with little or no bloodshed, thus insulting the Klingons all the more. :rommie:

having Klaang be an Andorian would have fit nicely with this.

Sure, but Rick Berman had always been convinced, since TNG, that the Andorian makeup was "hokey", and antennaed aliens to "60s sci fi". As if to prove him right, the two appearances of an Andorian in TNG were hokey.

"The Andorian Incident" was originally proposed as "The Gorn Incident", until Brannon Braga pointed out that Kirk's battle with the Gorn was a first contact situation. From there they started investigating whether the Andorians could be achieved through improvements/miniaturation to radio-controlled puppeteering for the antennae, and to achieve makeup effects not possible even during the time of TNG.

Ah, Therin, I almost missed you, you were typing while I was. I had also heard that Berman was convinced the Andorians were hokey, and this is surely indeed the reason why any desire to use them was bypassed as long as possible. It really does seem like a case of pandering to the boss that the TNG makeups looked so stupid. Personally, a lack of antenna movement never bothered me.

And as an aside, the mere fact that it started as 'The Gorn Incident,' ignoring the fact that 'Arena' was the first contact situation, appalls me. I just cannot see the Vulcans and Gorn engaged in the same type of conflict as the Vulcans and Andorians. Maybe they could have made me seen different, but it seems like the Vulcans would have somehow outsmarted the Gorn. Plus referencing the Sarek/Thelev conflicts by retroactively putting in place a Vulcan/Andorian conflict was too good. ;)
 
If they needed it to be Klingons, it should have been a Klingon invasion fleet, and the Vulcans plus Enterprise stopping them at the gates of Earth. That's a pretty disastrous first contact.

I do like the cumulative effect of Archer's pompous insistence of "helping" Klaang get home, ignoring Vulcan warnings, meddling in Klingon affairs, ending up on Rura Penthe, and then having his own DNA part of the forehead bumps incident, all adding up to what history remembers as a pretty "disastrous first contact".
 
I guess if you're into the whole "ENT exists in a slighlty changed timeline" thing you can say that first contact didn't "originally" happen in 2151 or that way at all. Which makes the later history predating the creation of the prequel history exist in its own continuum free of the ENT dating.
 
I would have liked it better if they didn't have Klingons on ENT. But the Klingon forehead change explanation was super clever, I liked that a lot.
 
I would have liked it better if they didn't have Klingons on ENT. But the Klingon forehead change explanation was super clever, I liked that a lot.

Me too.

Contrived...but clever. And makes a lot of sense in the context of the rest of the TREK universe. A genetic problem so entrenched and big it takes 100+ years for Klingon scientists to reverse it.
 
You'd think they would've saved them for a season ender or something. You know...hype it up. Make it an anticipated event: When will First Contact with the Klingons take place? How will it happen? Please, we can't wait! You know...

The only problem with this is that Klingons had already been done to death in TNG and DS9, so it would hardly be that anticipated even among Trek fans. Much as the introduction of Trek races like the Xindi and Suliban was criticised for violating continuity, it was also inevitable because they had to offer something new.

It was necessary because the producers wanted to quickly convey that ENT took place before TOS to casual viewers, IMO. Nothing did that more efficiently than by establishing that "Broken Bow" was the first contact between Humans and Klingons.

So they severely underestimated our intelligence?

Well what type of fans are you referring too? My parents are old Trek fans, but I had to explain to them the premise of Enterprise because they don't follow the show closely any more. Does that make them 'stupid'?
 
That was more or less what I was imagining. Imagine if the first episode featured an Andorian/Vulcan battle near Earth, and a Xindi-attack type accidental attack on Earth, making Earth kick itself in the pants and finally giving itself the impetus to push into space. Then Earth in turn later ends up negotiating a peace between them (due to Romulan proxy terrorism and interference on both sides) and that's why they stand by Earth to found the Federation. Also, bringing Terra Prime into the mix sooner would have made a lot of sense too - and would have gone a long way of proving these aren't the 'perfect' humans of TNG a lot quicker.

I like this idea.

Sure, but Rick Berman had always been convinced, since TNG, that the Andorian makeup was "hokey", and antennaed aliens to "60s sci fi". As if to prove him right, the two appearances of an Andorian in TNG were hokey.

* shrugs * I always rather liked the Andorian makeup, because they actually looked more like aliens.
 
I would have liked it better if they didn't have Klingons on ENT. But the Klingon forehead change explanation was super clever, I liked that a lot.


Agreed. Season 4 seemed to try and explain a couple things like this
and that worked out pretty neat.

The only problem is though I don't think the Klingons should have had
place in ENT. These ships aren't as fast nor do they have the range
on an average mission. The Romulans certainly had a place but it
could have been something precluding the Earth Romulan Wars more
directly, the Klingons however seemed like a bit of over kill.
It would have been a great opportunity to explore some of the races
that are nearer to Earth, maybe focus on the Andorians and Orion
a bit more.

But alas, it's Star Trek and what is Star Trek without Klingons? :lol:
 
I will admit up front that I have rarely cared for Star Trek episodes (of any incarnation) and movies featuring Klingons. One of the very first, if not the first, episodes I saw was Marauders. The inclusion of Klingons aggravated me enough not to give ENT a second chance until the following year.
 
Well there's at least one case of the Klingons alienating a potential fan. I bet there are more.

For me, the Ferengi started it and Borg sealed the coffin.
 
Picard did say the first contact with the 'space cavemen' LED to decades of warfare. Certainly, the many run-ins Archer had with them (Rura Penthe, the incident in 'Marauders', the House of Duras wanting his head) wouldn't have helped Earth/Qo'nos relations any.
 
^Yes, it was.

Klingons, indeed, have been done to death. Arguably moreso than even the Borg. I mean, the Romulans haven't actually been utilised that much, come to think of it. I am still waiting for a decent Romulan Trek movie. Nemesis was ultimately more about some previously unheard-of slave caste Reman race, and I'm hoping the new movie will give them something decent to do.
 
Well there's at least one case of the Klingons alienating a potential fan. I bet there are more.

For me, the Ferengi started it and Borg sealed the coffin.

The Ferengi were even more idiotic to use than the Borg. At least there was a tie-in to the events in FIRST CONTACT to explain why frozen Borg corpses were on Earth and then found. The Ferengi? Just a lame excuse to reuse old makeup prosthetics from TNG and DS9 and save a few bucks.
 
^Yes, it was.

Klingons, indeed, have been done to death. Arguably moreso than even the Borg. I mean, the Romulans haven't actually been utilised that much, come to think of it. I am still waiting for a decent Romulan Trek movie. Nemesis was ultimately more about some previously unheard-of slave caste Reman race, and I'm hoping the new movie will give them something decent to do.

Q F T !!

Imagine my disdain in discovering that the so-called Romulan movie wasn't really even about the Romulans!
 
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