Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by TedShatner10, Mar 12, 2008.
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Thank you Mrs Paris and Lynx...I enjoy the avatar as well.
Rise this thread from the dead...
Looking through Season Five on DVD, I notice the ensemble feels still feels pretty strong on hindsight, even though Seven of Nine was a major character.
I thought it was the same mixed bag in the first three seasons, with Season Two hosting such campy crap like "Threshold" and Season Three being a shit sandwich, arguably weaker than Season Seven (which I also tuned out of).
So, does mayo or mustard go on a shit sandwich?
I like season 3. A lot of good episodes there, like "Warlord", "The Swarm", "Before And After", "Basics#2", "Darkling", "Future's End", "Remember" and many more.
But I like season 1 and 2 better.
Probably because.. you know.. there was at least hope that the show would get better
I would just like to remind everyone not to feed the trolls.
misskim86: If you like the show and want to contribute to the discussions then post away. However, I've never seen you here before so if you're just here to troll then go away. Consider this a friendly.
I'm sorry I didn't know that you had to actually like the show to be able to post here. I started to watch the show when I got the Cube set this november (early xmas gift) and posted quite a lot how I got disappointed in the show and nobody gave me a "friendly" so I'm sorry if I broke a rule. I still don't like the show so if that's a prerequisite to post here I'll stop and I'm sorry that I broke the rule. I'm not here to troll though. I answered the original topic as honest as I could.
EDIT: Here's one of my first posts ever on the forum, I can't find my other posts right now but I posted tons in some thread where people discussed what could have made Voyager better.
EDIT2: here are more threads where I've posted, and you've even posted in some of the same threads so I don't know why you never seen me post here. Maybe I didn't leave any lasting impression
Like a lot of people, I could appreciate the quieter, character-driven episodes of seasons 1 through 3, and I liked that they felt like they were on a long journey with limited supplies. But I also did appreciate the season 4 through 6 episodes. They were standalone, more polished, and really featured some fantastic ideas (Counterpoint, Living Witness, Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy).
But in my mind, Voyager 'jumped the shark' with 'Spirit Folk'. That episode felt like an insult to the audience. Suddenly, the plot was driving the characters, and the characters were being made to do stupid things that they would have never done if they had stayed true to who they were up to that point. There was a lot more of this in the remainder of season 6 and in season 7. There was still some good episodes mixed in, but overall it was very disappointing - and the ending felt rushed.
I also liked Chacotay's character in the early eps, and he was all but written out of the show later on.
It's okay. You're welcome to post here even if you don't like the show. You can even say you don't like the show but provide some substance since after all this is a forum of Voyager fans.
Feel free to pm either myself or akiraprise if you want to discuss further.
Everyone has different tastes, personally i found no interest at all in the Seska/ Harogen story line and was happy to see it go. However, it was much better with the doctor confined to sick bay rather than the "Oh woe is me, what about the rights of us holograms, let me go everywhere" character that he turned into.
Of course, i have no doubt that there will be plenty of fans that thought the Doctor character was awesome or even that his stories were relevant to the injustice towards certain races on earth today, to me he was just a whining, egotistical, self indulgent person and Torres should have gone in and re-programmed him ages ago.
However, that would have left the writers in a real bind as there seemed to be so many stories where the Holographic doctor was pivotal. Gotta say though, Robert Picardo, awesome actor, pity his character was so annoying that i had to fast forward by the time i got to Renaissance Man in season 7.
Why would anyone presume that most or all Trek fans prefer VOYAGER's earlier seasons to the later ones?
I tend to prefer ALL seasons, except for Season 1 and Season 6.
Because on this board and this board alone, it's fairly true. Which is why it's hard to get a well rounded view of Voyagers fanbase from just this site. It also doesn't take into consideration the casual viewer that watched the show but isn't deep enough into Trek to post on a message board.
It's not apparent from the OP's first post where or how they got this impression. Perhaps they'll return and let us know...
I just got the impression from talk forums in general and the B&B bashing, since Jeri Taylor and Michael Pillar were more in control of the earlier seasons, so the overall tone and quality in the series would be changed (and not always for the better).
The year of Hell was mentioned in an earlier episode I think it was Before and After, I don't remember the dialog that took place but it was mentioned.
For what it's worth, here's a poll on people's favorite seasons.
Shows a preference for the middle seasons to me, which incidentaly is mine as well. Of course the poll has a sample size and bias which makes it a poor tool to judge fans in general from, but it does hold greater credibility regarding the users of this forum.
I don't prefer any season, they're all good! I will say that the last had some really boring episodes leading up to Endgame but there are some awesome ones as well. I think overall the show was pretty consistant from Caretaker to Endgame.
I prefer S4-7, to be honest.
You had all these great character dynamics going on. Janeway as a mother to Seven, the evolving relationship between Torres/Paris, the Docs unrequited love for Seven, the rivalry between Janeway and the BQ.
On average the stories also had a faster pace, a darker/meta bent and a greater sense of galactic scale and consequences (yes, I said the c-word).
For me it is all to do with emotionial continuity. Over the course of the first four years a narrative was being build about the characters and week by week you found yourself becoming more and more attached to them (Gene's idea of a loving family in space.) That coupled with the quality of the writing made the earlier seasons, and particularly the fourth stand out.
With the advent of season five everything that had been built up over those four years was cast to the wind though. Janeway inparticular underwent a MASSIVE personality change that was simply explained away by saying she'd been having a long hard think in her quarters! The rest of the characters didn't far any better. And all those delicate little strands that really draw and bond you to a TV show just disappeared overnight.
Voyager was never the same and I think a lot of fans who had emotianally invested in the show felt betrayed from that moment on. That's how it was for me certainly.
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