Why can't science and religion just get along?

[Luther Sloan]

Untrue.

Well, whether Wikipedia is right or those other sources. The fact that were people that believed that the world was flat existed. The Bible just proved it subtly that the world was round to begin with.

I'm sorry for persecuting you Luther Sloan.

Thats okay, my friend. I perfectly understand.
But thank you for being kind and saying so.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA[/yt]

 

[JarodRussell]

No, the Bible sure as hell didn't get it right. Try posting the complete Bible verse you cited earlier. It very obviously describes a flat, circular Earth with a solid, domed sky. There are also multiple references to Earth's pillars and there is story in the NT about Satan taking Jesus to the top of a high mountain where they could see all the kingdoms of the world - only possible on a flat earth.

Starry Eyed:

"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"

~Matthew 4:8

http://kingjamesbible.com/B40C004.htm

There was no kingdoms in North America at the time, so looking across at the other side of the globe was not an issue. Also, although the line of sight of the horizon line (atop of Mount Everest does extend only a hundred miles or so) that doesn't mean the devil didn't have the power to zoom past atmospheric horizon lines and show him kingdoms beyond the normal viewable horizon line in the surrounding region). I mean, we don't after all know the nature of his powers or their range when he was using them with Jesus.

Oh wow.

 

[John Picard]

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[Miss Chicken]

Yes. I know that. the words in my previous post said...

"is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world "

I was speaking in terms of his initial goals (i.e. in proving that the World was not flat). And not what he actually accomplished.

Well, sorry if I wasn't more clearer on that point (when describing it).

Then you should have said "It was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to try to sail around the world."

Christopher Columbus is known to have visit Iceland. The Icelanders were quite well away that America existed as Bjarni Herjólfsson had first sited the Americans in 986, told people of its existence to people in Greenland and 10 later Leif Ericsson decided to go and find these lands himself. These facts are recorded in the Vinland Sagas which were written well before Columbus's time though a good 200 years after Leif Ericsson's time. Columbus probably heard these stories and assumed that Leif Erikson had reached India.

 

[John Picard]

Yes. I know that. the words in my previous post said...

"is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world "

I was speaking in terms of his initial goals (i.e. in proving that the World was not flat). And not what he actually accomplished.

Well, sorry if I wasn't more clearer on that point (when describing it).

Then you should have said "It was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to try to sail around the world."

Christopher Columbus is known to have visit Iceland. The Icelanders were quite well away that America existed as Bjarni Herjólfsson had first sited the Americans in 986, told people of its existence to people in Greenland and 10 later Leif Ericsson decided to go and find these lands himself. These facts are recorded in the Vinland Sagas which were written well before Columbus's time though a good 200 years after Leif Ericsson's time. Columbus probably heard these stories and assumed that Leif Erikson had reached India.

The Vikings had apparently explored much of the North American continent, having left their mark in Oklahoma.

 

[StarryEyed]

No, the Bible sure as hell didn't get it right. Try posting the complete Bible verse you cited earlier. It very obviously describes a flat, circular Earth with a solid, domed sky. There are also multiple references to Earth's pillars and there is story in the NT about Satan taking Jesus to the top of a high mountain where they could see all the kingdoms of the world - only possible on a flat earth.

Starry Eyed:

"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"

~Matthew 4:8

http://kingjamesbible.com/B40C004.htm

There was no kingdoms in North America at the time, so looking across at the other side of the globe was not an issue. Also, although the line of sight of the horizon line (atop of Mount Everest does extend only a hundred miles or so) that doesn't mean the devil didn't have the power to zoom past atmospheric horizon lines and show him kingdoms beyond the normal viewable horizon line in the surrounding region). I mean, we don't after all know the nature of his powers or their range when he was using them with Jesus.

There were in China. And if either Jesus or Satan could see over the horizon, they wouldn't need a mountain in the first place.

 

[Luther Sloan]

Well, the way it sounds in that video is that he is taking a leap of faith on his own. He is theorizing what God and His Word should be like rather than taking it for what it is. Sure, the hands of men did write the Bible, but God wrote thru them to do it. As for his claims of other religions having the one true God: Well, that really doesn't make any sense if you take into account that other religions twist the truth of the Bible and the make entire religions around it. There are New Age Bible Versions that attack the Bible. There are large debates are over science and the Bible. I mean, there isn't large debates anywhere near the level over any other book like the Bible. This suggests that there is something more to it than it being just a mere book with some half truths in it.

I mean, I agree. There are a lot of great things within science. However, everyone here (has to realize that they are taking a leap of faith in believing that evolution is true. Did you ever try and dig deep into evolution and discover it has any holes in it? No. It is a comfortable alternative for you in not believing in God. It gives you no to be accountable to, so you can run free and do whatever you like in your own eyes. I mean, you would have to prove that each evolution theory is 100% true and without flaw. You would have toll and study evolution as if it was your job to prove that it is true and incompletely and 100% not flawed or infallible.

In other words, what I am trying to say is that: Your taking a step of faith in anything you believe or do these days. I mean, you take a step of faith each time you go out to drive to the store don't you? How do you know that the other person is not going to hit and kill you by driving thru an intersection? You don't. You just take it by faith that your going to be okay.

The point is that faith is important part of everyone's normal life. Each time you believe in something or take action as a result of that belief you are taking a step of faith.

Now, there are things that can be proven scientifically. Things that we know about how the world operates and runs around us. But so far there is no proof that the Bible is false unless someone wants to take it out of it's context or look at a New Age Version or just ignore it all together because they prefer evolution instead.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnj7PlqmJ5o&NR=1[/yt]

Please watch from 5:00-7:00, these two minutes concern Jesus as being God or not, even Jesus said he wasn't god.

 

[Luther Sloan]

There were in China. And if either Jesus or Satan could see over the horizon, they wouldn't need a mountain in the first place.

Starry Eyed:

I am sure he did it as a way of showing dramatic flair.
I mean, if you had the power to show someone to look beyond atmospheric horizon lines, wouldn't you use it?

 

[Miss Chicken]

No-one has ever said that the Theory of Evolution was perfect. there are small changes all the time when new discoveries are made but the basic theory has stayed the same.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Well, the way it sounds in that video is that he is taking a leap of faith on his own. He is theorizing what God and His Word should be like rather than taking it for what it is.

Luther.. I don't see anywhere in his over 15-part series anywhere where the author of this video series is ever taking a leap of faith. In fact, he is constantly and willingly checking himself almost every single minute he speaks, and he always justifies or demonstrates every single claim he puts forward!

 

[Luther Sloan]

Concerning the second video:
God is one being but He is made up of three parts. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost.

God made man in his own image.
We have a soul, a physical body, and a spirit body.

The New Age Bible Versions have made subtle attempts at taking out the holy trinity part about God out of the original Bible.

 

[Luther Sloan]

Luther.. I don't see anywhere in his over 15-part series anywhere where the author of this video series is ever taking a leap of faith. In fact, he is constantly and willingly checking himself almost every single minute he speaks, and he always justifies or demonstrates every single claim he puts forward!

He makes assumptions that why doesn't God create a big huge Bible that cannot be ignored and seen out in the open (is by definition of how he would like things to be rather than for what they are). That is a leap of faith. His belief in of itself is a leap of faith. His stitching together what he knows and not what he has actually proven to be true without taking all of the facts into account. Even from the Christian's perspective.

I mean, the fact that he ignores the trinity of God within the Bible is proof that he doesn't either know all of the facts or he is selective and one sided in his argument.

 

[FlyingLemons]

I mean, I agree. There are a lot of great things within science. However, everyone here (has to realize that they are taking a leap of faith in believing that evolution is true. Did you ever try and dig deep into evolution and discover it has any holes in it? No.

There's a lot of people in the world who do this every day. They're called academics, and if evolution had huge gaping problems with it they would have ripped it apart now. They haven't. It's stood up to every test they've thrown at it, and it works. Thus it's not a "theory" any more. It's fact.

I mean, you would have to prove that each evolution theory is 100% true and without flaw. You would have toll and study evolution as if it was your job to prove that it is true and incompletely and 100% not flawed or infallible.

"Intelligent Design" is not a falsifiable theory as it assumes there's a "creator" at the beginning of it, and then fits the evidence to it. Thus it's not science.

Evolution is one of those things that came out of the blue for science, and has been tested over and over again by people trying to find holes or problems with it. If there were significant problems, it would have been blown out of the water long ago. It hasn't. Thus it's what we call scientific fact.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

With respect, you are wrong.

He makes assumptions that why doesn't God create a big huge Bible that cannot be ignored and seen out in the open. That is a leap of faith.

It's not a leap of faith.

Is it a leap of faith for me not to believe the claims that Bigfoot exists, or that of leprakhans?

His belief in of itself is a leap of faith. His stitching together what he knows and not what he has actually proven to be true without taking all of the facts into account.

No one has all the facts, and the narrator of the video admits that up front. However, he uses more facts than any youtuber in the history of the site. And he still is humble to say that he doesn't know everything.

Indeed, science is humble.

Youy really would be well-served to watch the entire video series.

 

[Luther Sloan]

No-one has ever said that the Theory of Evolution was perfect. It changes all the time when new discoveries are made. But that is the nature of science.

Miss Chicken:

See thats the thing. I believe that there is a source that is 100% perfect and infallible.

That's the difference. Your trying to use a source that is riddled with problems. I am using a source that is not (unless it is taken out of it's context and misinterpreted or if it is a New Age Version).

 

[StarryEyed]

However, everyone here (has to realize that they are taking a leap of faith in believing that evolution is true.

A very, very SMALL leap. You would know this if you bothered to get your "facts" from scientists rather than Christian apologists. The mountains of evidence in favor of evolution makes it virtually impossible to AVOID any other conclusion. That is why it is considered FACT in the scientific community.

If Genesis was literally true, it would mean that virtually our entire body of scientific knowledge is wrong. The problem with that is that we build technology based on our understanding of the physical world. If our knowledge was wrong, nothing we build would work.

You also apparently have no concept of degrees of faith. A REASONABLE degree of faith is indeed required to function. It's not practical to test all the food you buy at the super market to make sure nobody poisoned it so you use your knowledge that such events are exceedingly rare to take an INFORMED leap of faith. Now on the other hand, if someone tries to sell you a potion of youth, that would take a huge (stupid) leap of faith.

 

[Luther Sloan]

I admit. I don't have all the facts either. But I have a pretty good understanding of the Bible and scientific things that support it. If he wants to ignore or twist that around or ignore the Holy trinity that is up to him.

But he is not giving the Bible a clear accurate representation in his argument.


Anyways. I said my peace and have witnessed my testimony.
I think I should take my leave. Everyone is going to need to investigate the truth for themselves and come to their own conclusions in time.

Peace and love be unto you all, my friends.

 

[Miss Chicken]

No-one has ever said that the Theory of Evolution was perfect. It changes all the time when new discoveries are made. But that is the nature of science.

Miss Chicken:

See thats the thing. I believe that there is a source that is 100% perfect and infallible.

That's the difference. Your trying to use a source that is riddled with problems. I am using a source that is not (unless it is taken out of it's context and misinterpreted or if it is a New Age Version).

Actually I made changes to the statement I made because I didn't express myself well enough. I changed it to

No-one has ever said that the Theory of Evolution was perfect. there are small changes all the time when new discoveries are made but the basic theory has stayed the same.

The Bible has many more problems than the Theory of Evolution. It has many versions and you haven't given us any reason why the KJV is any more the truth than any other Bible. In fact the King James Bible didn't even exist for the first 1500 years of Christianity - were the Bibles before that all wrong? Even within the KJV there are contradictions. If God inspired the King James Bible why not get rid of these contradictions?