Who else feels robbed of Star Trek?
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Walker died in a car crash.
If these old TOS eyes were reading hux correctly, I am with him in (mostly) considering ST a series, and ST a movie different animals. Oh, sure, some stories, (Khan, The Borg, Cochrane, etc.) were begging to be made into movies, but, on balance, a series is so much different. As some of you have said, the stories and serialization of a property move forward and backward over more time than a movie would, or could. Both have their merits, but we get a longer time to explore and get to know and love or hate characters in a serial. Regarding a new multi-episode "show", the will and commitment of a studio and the cost, coupled with the feasibility and potential for audience all come into play, as you all well know. Movies offer a quicker potential bang for the buck and big buck!, but only offer a once in a couple of year "hit". I think there is room for both, but those of us old enough to remember TOS before reruns, for example, are a very different audience than would be necessary for an Entity to air a series. Witness what Wormhole wrote about "Fast and Furious" beating out STID in box office numbers. That is, in great part, the audience that would need to be considered for casting and story writing.
That said, I do not know about "Captain Worf", or "Admiral Sulu" or "Tales of the Blue Barber" as ideas, but I do think that there is room in this Universe and the nuUniverse for "more" Star Trek. Easy to say, not so easy to make real.
Hey, why not "Star Trek" from Boothby's perspective? We could go back and forth through a given timeline with characters we are familiar with at one age, but maybe shown at the beginning of their schooling or at the golden age of their careers as Instructors (what have you) and all narrated and told from Boothby's recollection and perspective. I know he is not available, but we could CG some of Ray/Boothby and cut in some footage and "Avatar" the rest, because: Ray Walston.
Just an old man remembering when he was 9 years old and his whole world changed...and his still-fresh love and passion for Star Trek.
That said, I do not know about "Captain Worf", or "Admiral Sulu" or "Tales of the Blue Barber" as ideas, but I do think that there is room in this Universe and the nuUniverse for "more" Star Trek. Easy to say, not so easy to make real.
Hey, why not "Star Trek" from Boothby's perspective? We could go back and forth through a given timeline with characters we are familiar with at one age, but maybe shown at the beginning of their schooling or at the golden age of their careers as Instructors (what have you) and all narrated and told from Boothby's recollection and perspective. I know he is not available, but we could CG some of Ray/Boothby and cut in some footage and "Avatar" the rest, because: Ray Walston.
Just an old man remembering when he was 9 years old and his whole world changed...and his still-fresh love and passion for Star Trek.
First point-I am with you on what that means...
And what's with the dig at Disney?Secondly, Paul Walker, as reported, died in a car crash, which, of course, added to the hype around Furious 7. Since Nimoy is not in Star Trek Beyond, the tribute to him will be similar to the GR tribute at the end of ST VI, versus the send off to Walker at the end of Furious 7.
Finally, as M'Sharak pointed out, any new show has to face a much changed audience, and they have not demonstrated any willingness to put forth money, when they can make money on Trek right now at no risk to them.
I don't feel robbed of Trek. There are movies to watch, TV episodes to revisit, and comics, books and the like still coming.
No! I do not feel robbed of Star Trek. I have had Star Trek for all 46 years of my life, and that includes the two movies for which I have waited all my life. Those are Star Trek 2009 and Star Trek Into Darkness.
Star Trek is back with a vengeance. If you feel robbed of it, well, you have 10 other movies, and 6 series with which to recoup your losses.
Next.
Star Trek is back with a vengeance. If you feel robbed of it, well, you have 10 other movies, and 6 series with which to recoup your losses.
Next.
I grew up with just the original 79 episodes, and never expected anything beyond those, so everything that came afterward was a gift. I never expected a string of movies, or four spinoff series. If onscreen Trek ends with the JJ films, I can live with that. Fifty years and 700+ hours seems like a pretty good run to me.
Paul Walker died in a car crash, and that did help boost the box office take of Furious 7, but the actual valid comparison here is between Fast & Furious 6 and Star Trek Into Darkness, both of which opened in 2013.
And so F&F6 outperformed STID. So what? In 1982, Wrath of Khan got outperformed by a little film nobody's ever heard of called E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. Did anyone brand it a failure or a flop? It's the rampant desire exhibited by some on this and other websites for the new films to fail outright that boggles my mind. Did Into Darkness gross as much in the U.S. as its predecessor? No. But it also made huge inroads in the foreign markets, and for the first time a Trek film made more of its money overseas than at home (something other successful franchises like James Bond, Fast & Furious, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe have been doing for years). I think that's pretty awesome.
Gaaaahhhh!!!!!! Curse you for mentioning the very bane of why I did not get to see The Wrath of Khan on the big screen!!!!!!
(not really curse you ...but.....GGAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!)
None of his crew would get a word in edgewise.
That would be almost as bad as a Captain Sulu show. Imagine what it would be like if every actor thinks their character could carry a tv series?
How about The Blue Barber:Adventures of Mr. Mott
I have two words that are going to blow your mind.
Captain.
Morn.
Yes, it's true that ST is about exploration. But exploration also means going forward in some sense. Having Captain Worf means going back, or regressing. Consider that each spinoff since TNG was about going forward separate from what came before:
TNG - new adventures, deeper into space, a different political landscape than TOS
DS9 - frontier town, stationary unlike TNG, largest cast of characters ever in Trek
VOY - set even further, with no resources, no backup, all by themselves, unlike DS9 or TNG
ENT - set in a time that had rarely, if ever, been discussed or explored in previous Trek, and delving into the origins of Trek as we know it
Sure, those shows may have strayed to varying degrees, but a Captain Worf show's primary conceit is familiarity -- its title character is someone who was a main character in TWO Trek shows. That's something no other Trek spinoff has had. Heck, for TNG, DS9, and VOY, their pilots had characters from previous shows precisely to demarcate the boundaries of those shows (i.e. Sisko is definitely no Picard; Voyager leaves the relatively safe DS9 and never comes back; and McCoy passed the torch to Data).
Yeah, there are some who say the studios were disappointed because it didn't make as much as they expected. Which is weird because those movies made a lot of money.
Which is also a little alarming, because this typical of the blockbuster formula where you spend large sums of money for movies and expect even larger profits.
And are disappointed even when the movie turns a profit. A few movie franchises went down this way.
We've had only two movies so far to try to recapture the close crew dynamic the TV show had.
The bonding doesn't feel real yet. The McCoy/Spock thing isn't there yet. Chekov,Uhura, Scotty,Sulu, none of these characters interact with each other.
That means in order to capture that dynamic, we'll have to go through a number of movies until it falls into place. How many, about 5 or 6?
At least to me anyway. However, I do notice the movies do kind of grow on me the more I watch them.
But it looks like TV Trek is in a state of paralysis right now. It's like it's not sure if a new series will be successful so they keep waiting. They can't do a Nu Trek style series because that will conflict with the movies.
The movies right now have it all to themselves. A new show might take away that uniqness and the demand to go see the movies could drop.
And yet do we wait until the movie series is over until they air a new TV show?
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I don't feel 'robbed'. I'm happy watching all the different series and most of the movies. I'm happy with NuTrek.
I will admit though that I do miss setting aside time during the week to watch Star Trek and talking about it afterwards with my friends. I wouldn't mind a new show but there are a couple of things to consider.
We have had two shows that continued the theme of exploration, one set on a space station and an 'origin' story. Where else is there to go in the Star Trek World?
Some options...(I don't necessarily LIKE these ideas. They are just random things I've seen discussed over the years)
Star Fleet Academy. I wouldn't be totally opposed to this IF it didn't turn into some CW type show. The kids go off on training missions and stuff happens.
Section 31. Very iffy. Some fans like the idea, others hate it.
The future. The 29th century where there such things as timeships exist and our heroes have to deal with the temporal prime directive and time travel is part of the premise.
A Palace Intrigue setting. Things going on at Starfleet Command/The Klingon Homeword/Vulcan etc. To me this is close too DS9 and I'm not sure how you would work space travel and exploration into that but I suppose its possible.
Anyway...it should be something 'fresh' but at the same time have the Star Trek stamp on it. Figuring out how to do that will NOT be easy.
I will admit though that I do miss setting aside time during the week to watch Star Trek and talking about it afterwards with my friends. I wouldn't mind a new show but there are a couple of things to consider.
We have had two shows that continued the theme of exploration, one set on a space station and an 'origin' story. Where else is there to go in the Star Trek World?
Some options...(I don't necessarily LIKE these ideas. They are just random things I've seen discussed over the years)
Star Fleet Academy. I wouldn't be totally opposed to this IF it didn't turn into some CW type show. The kids go off on training missions and stuff happens.
Section 31. Very iffy. Some fans like the idea, others hate it.
The future. The 29th century where there such things as timeships exist and our heroes have to deal with the temporal prime directive and time travel is part of the premise.
A Palace Intrigue setting. Things going on at Starfleet Command/The Klingon Homeword/Vulcan etc. To me this is close too DS9 and I'm not sure how you would work space travel and exploration into that but I suppose its possible.
Anyway...it should be something 'fresh' but at the same time have the Star Trek stamp on it. Figuring out how to do that will NOT be easy.
I've felt robbed for 20-30 years. 
Seriously while I enjoyed TMP-TUC each to some extent they weren't overall as enjoyable as Star Trek as a television series. Television is where it simply works best and allows you to do more. As feature films there is too much baggage and expectation to be something else.
Although I've come to enjoy elements of TNG it still really isn't the series I hoped for. And, for me, after the first few seasons of TNG it's been a steady downhill from there. I've had to supplement my lack of Trek that interests me with watching other SF on television and even that has run dry.
And while I enjoy a particular web series getting only a couple of episodes a year is like being on a diet. Mind you I like those installments far, far better than the recent films or any of the Trek I've seen for the past twenty-five years.
But I would love to get a new Trek series that could really engage me. And it would most likely be some form of reboot. That said I won't watch anything tied to JJtrek if they went that route.
Seriously while I enjoyed TMP-TUC each to some extent they weren't overall as enjoyable as Star Trek as a television series. Television is where it simply works best and allows you to do more. As feature films there is too much baggage and expectation to be something else.
Although I've come to enjoy elements of TNG it still really isn't the series I hoped for. And, for me, after the first few seasons of TNG it's been a steady downhill from there. I've had to supplement my lack of Trek that interests me with watching other SF on television and even that has run dry.
And while I enjoy a particular web series getting only a couple of episodes a year is like being on a diet. Mind you I like those installments far, far better than the recent films or any of the Trek I've seen for the past twenty-five years.
But I would love to get a new Trek series that could really engage me. And it would most likely be some form of reboot. That said I won't watch anything tied to JJtrek if they went that route.
You can't be robbed of anything like this, that implies someone taking something away that you already have.
None of my DVD's or books etc are disappearing. But if you mean am I in some way annoyed by not being bombarded with new Trek content all the time then no.
There was honestly too much of it and having a high budget film at regular intervals is great right now. With one coming up in less than a year with the option of a fourth after it now apparently, I feel fine with what I'm getting.
None of my DVD's or books etc are disappearing. But if you mean am I in some way annoyed by not being bombarded with new Trek content all the time then no.
There was honestly too much of it and having a high budget film at regular intervals is great right now. With one coming up in less than a year with the option of a fourth after it now apparently, I feel fine with what I'm getting.
Heck, didn't Nemesis get trounced by a Jennifer Lopez comedy?
Yep. Maid in Manhattan
These are quite excellent points. Cyke101. And likewise, stardream:
Hm. How would a Trek detective series look? Maybe set it in Starfleet Command and have the lead detective(s) work under diplomatic cover of some sort. We don't typically see diplomats as much more than one-off nuisances (with the exceptions of Sarek, Soval, and, in later life, Spock), and it might be interesting to have the hero(es) solving crimes against the backdrop of formal negotiations. This approach would afford plenty of opportunities for character work along with interplanetary exploration, as part of the negotiations would consist of Starfleet's wanting to ascertain the bona fides of planets wishing to join the Federation.
The next Trek series would still probably be set a significant number of years later even if Worf was in it.
And someone who posted that ratings chart.... that's interesting that TNG was a consistently strong performer while the others slipped the entire time. But it makes you wonder if DS9 and VOY got seven seasons, why Enterprise only got four? Pshhh.
I just think if you take a character people generally love, and then you build around him with interesting new characters.... that there would be an appeal to that.
Juxtapose that to other ideas people have had, like the bi x-men guy bryan singer who wanted to set it HUNDREDS of years in the future in some completely weird and foreign plot idea....
or the people doing Renegades who want to make up stuff like Khan having a daughter or whatever.
I think Michael Dorn's suggestion isn't a bad one at all, and I can say personally I wouldn't miss an episode.... although now I'm old enough to play a junior officer on the ship.
Just saying.
Also, Star Trek is at its core about EXPLORATION. Even DS9 got in to that when they had the Defiance and would galavant in to the gamma quadrant sometimes. It's about exploring the cosmos, and the nature of humanity at the same time.
I've heard of that SF Academy idea before, and yes, that would 100% be a CW teen drama show. You know that's where it would end up. :P
And someone who posted that ratings chart.... that's interesting that TNG was a consistently strong performer while the others slipped the entire time. But it makes you wonder if DS9 and VOY got seven seasons, why Enterprise only got four? Pshhh.
I just think if you take a character people generally love, and then you build around him with interesting new characters.... that there would be an appeal to that.
Juxtapose that to other ideas people have had, like the bi x-men guy bryan singer who wanted to set it HUNDREDS of years in the future in some completely weird and foreign plot idea....
or the people doing Renegades who want to make up stuff like Khan having a daughter or whatever.
I think Michael Dorn's suggestion isn't a bad one at all, and I can say personally I wouldn't miss an episode.... although now I'm old enough to play a junior officer on the ship.
Just saying.Also, Star Trek is at its core about EXPLORATION. Even DS9 got in to that when they had the Defiance and would galavant in to the gamma quadrant sometimes. It's about exploring the cosmos, and the nature of humanity at the same time.
I've heard of that SF Academy idea before, and yes, that would 100% be a CW teen drama show. You know that's where it would end up. :P
I was looking over Stardreams's list of proposed Trek options.
One other option has been mentioned, a sort of X-files meets Trek. I think this could work well, and could make for a fresh Trek series.
One other option has been mentioned, a sort of X-files meets Trek. I think this could work well, and could make for a fresh Trek series.
And we all have varying opinions on how well they lived up to those premises. But the basic point I think is that any new show has to try and break away from the previous shows and establish it's own identity.
S do we go further into the future the 25th Century, the 29th Century and set it onbpoard a ship that mo nitors the timeline allowing us to visit various periods through ST?
Or what about an anothology type show.
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