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Which Spin-off is Closest in "spirit" to TOS?

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I always wondered... There have been 4 spin-offs to TOS, two of which were spin-offs to TNG and one was unrelated to anything alltogether. But which one of theose series would have to be the closest in "spirit" to TOS?

Could it be TNG, the original ST Spin-off made by Roddenberry himself? Or DS9, which although darker and grittier, is still more character-driven than any of the others? Or VOY, whose theme has a crew in uncharted quadrant of the galaxy, going where no man (except perhaps Enterprise-D, but with Q's help!) has gone before? Or ENT, that goes to the early days of exploration and wonder of the universe?

Which one would it be for you?
 
I think DS9 was truer to GR's concept of the exploration of the Human Condition TNG and VOY made it look like another day at the office. VOY especially. There was no sense of awe and wonder. TNG had its moments, but get to be really preachy at times. ENT had some of the Right Stuff elements but was mired in rehashed plots and "fan" negativity.
 
I consider TAS as TOS's continuance, thus, its fourth season - only animated, if you will :).

Anyway, I personally will go with DS9, followed closely by TNG. DS9 is the best modern Trek. Although more militarised in nature than TOS, it adresses war as a bad thing, something to be avoided, but when its due, it better have some positive results to the overal galactic in this case history. That is best adressed in The Pale Moonlight, where Sisko "hires" Garak to help him initiate a war between the Romulans, the Klingons and the Dominion. It adresses our times, most effectively, and almost exactl;y the way TOS used their universe as a metaphor for their times.

Both TOS and DS9 deliver a richly textured surrounding universe that enhanced the drama and allowed for storytelling that can touch the hearth with how human the characters were. If one watches "City on the Edge of Forever," and follows it up with "The Visitor", what will be revealed are two examples of exemplary storytelling that use Science Fiction elements to demonstrate the depth of the human heart, and the sacrifices we must make for love. The diametric opposition of these shows begins to fade... and you see the true heir appearant to the mantle of Roddenberry's dream. Good drama with strong continuity, producers who care about good characters addressing the human equation. That's what makes good Trek, and what makes DS9, to date, the best since TOS... and in some ways surpassing the original.

TNG is a good series, a strong series.. Most definetely its success lead to the rest of the spin-offs.. But its always the more "confusing" of the golden three (my phrase that characterizes TOS, DS9 and TNG). It started as a morality look on different cultures and test of non-interference with the Prime Directive in the first season, moved on to the heart of exploration with the second and third season, the fourth found finally the humanity of those characters and the rest told the stories with as much an imagination as they could. Point is, it never was consistent in the ways TOS and DS9 (even Worf's arrival in DS9 added to the rich character enviroment, without "destroying" the equation. Still, TNG is magnificent and trully, the best TV series of the late 80's and early nineties (before DS9 of course).

Voyage was a hit and miss, its 7-year run never provided in my opinion with any significant character development and Kess' death didn't even have that definitive sense of loss (you feel hurt when Kirk lets Edith Keeler die, you know Picard is saddened by Tasha Yar's death, YOU FEEL Worf's anger and hate towards Duras for both his decommension and his dear love's death, you understand Spock's pain in The Naked Time, and certainly you feel Sisko's loss over the mirror Jennifer). Just a few examples. Although it did have some fun with the holographic Doctor (IMO the only character with any depth, ironically, since he's a holographic Doctor1) and Seven Of Nine's boobies were nice(:lol:). Otherwise, very mediocre series.

Enterprise.. I won't spend time to discuss how unfitting to this list this series is.. It feels more Stargate alternate reality than anything else.. I don't think it even comes CLOSE to TOS's sense of magic, of wonder, of humanity..

But thats all IMO..
 
Deep Space Nine.

TNG was too sterile. Voy was "Gilligan's Island" in space.

DS9 had compelling characters, interesting stories, etc.
 
Posted by T'Bonz:
Deep Space Nine.

TNG was too sterile. Voy was "Gilligan's Island" in space.

DS9 had compelling characters, interesting stories, etc.

I agree completely.
 
Deep Space Nine is the closest.

I agree that TNG was much more 'sterile.' DS9 and TOS both had the best character relationships.

VGR-It looked like Janeway really didn't give a damn.
Kim: We've encountered a new species!
Janeway: Yawn. Whatever.
Kim: A strange sub-space anomoly has formed!
Janeway: Ho-hum, who gives a hoot? Anyone else feel like going to the holodeck?
:borg:
 
I don't understand TAS's categorization as "spin-off". It had the same actors from TOS doing the voices, the period followed TOS (with Chekov's distinct absence) and almost the same writing stuff/producers who did TOS also did TAS. TAS is just that, Animated. Which makes little difference to me, as long as it continued the show's premise. Its not like it was something different. It was its continuance.

Whereas none of the other were continuances of TOS. You may argue that stories continued from one series to another, but thats not the point here.

In my account, TAS was and will always remain TOS's continuation. Of course the fact that I haven't seen TAS since three years ago, doesn't quite help the matter, but still..

To return to subject, DS9 all the way!! Although TNG is pretty close to my book.
 
DS9, because it had the most interesting, eclectic cast and the warmest, deepest character interactions. Pretty much what everyone else has been saying.
 
Posted by Number6:
I think DS9 was truer to GR's concept of the exploration of the Human Condition
Sorry. No disrespect intended. But this always crops up and it's silly. GR didn't have much of a vision of the "human condition" until the mid '70s onward when he started to take his press a little too seriously. The only other "human condition" he was concerned with back in the days was when he caught a glimpse of delectable T&A.

And for all it's failings I felt the earlier seasons of TNG resonated more closely with TOS, that is among the live-action series. Otherwise I, too, vote for TAS.
 
The first two seasons of DS9, perhaps. Or early TNG. TAS is (obviously) close to TOS in form, except that I've never been able to like it.
 
If it could be considered a spinoff, then unquestionably TAS is closest... In fact I'd dare say that it was closer than the film series in many respects!

If you wanna rate em... They seem to go down in order...
After TAS comes TNG, then DS9, then V, and finally the unspeakable E (They SHOULD have left 'Star Trek' off of the title sequence!)...
 
^ Agreed. Definitely TAS. Much closer in spirit than any of the films -- even TMP. And I agree everything spins further and further away from TOS as time goes on.
 
Posted by Warped9:
Posted by Number6:
I think DS9 was truer to GR's concept of the exploration of the Human Condition
Sorry. No disrespect intended. But this always crops up and it's silly. GR didn't have much of a vision of the "human condition" until the mid '70s onward when he started to take his press a little too seriously. The only other "human condition" he was concerned with back in the days was when he caught a glimpse of delectable T&A.

And for all it's failings I felt the earlier seasons of TNG resonated more closely with TOS, that is among the live-action series. Otherwise I, too, vote for TAS.

None taken.. I agree that GR had started publically talking about the Human Condition but it wasn't until he his the convention circuit after the show had been cancelled. Maybe he said it because it was what the fans wanted to hear from their new found sci-fi guru, or maybe he was trying to comment on the human condition within the Star Trek universe. You can certainly tell from the stories that were told in the original show, that there was an underlying message or theme in some of the better written stories and I think those shows were what was good and noble about Star Trek. So when I refer to GR's vision, perhaps I am referring to those similar qualities that can easily be seen in some of the better episodes of all the series. TNG was really heavy handed about it, moreso than any of the modern shows, but then GR was still alive and then recently dead enough that the writers and producers felt obliged to make the tone and tenor of the series reflect that. DS9, OTOH, brought back the conflict and chemistry between the characters that was so sorely lacking in TNG, not to mention VOY as well. DS9 had more complex relationships between the characters and I felt it made the characters easier to relate to and more real. I find those qualities very similar to the chemistry and complexity of the relationship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. You don't see that on any of the other series, though there are hints of it in all of them, including ENT, which I know you hate.

Some of my favorite ENT episodes are my favorites because of that same character relationship, though I will concede absolutely that their stories tended to be far too weak and bland to call attention to some of the subtler qualities that I enjoyed throughout its four-year run.
 
It won't win me too many points in this forum but I voted ENTERPRISE. Now I love DS9 but it is was about as far away from TOS as you can get and still call it Star Trek. The settings, characters and situations just were not true to TOS ideas. TNG and VOY just dont have the same sort of appealing characters as TOS. Very bland characters and actors with a few exceptions. I got a TOS vibe from ENT at day one. Not sure why. Heck I was planning on hating it. Had the knives drawn and sharpened.

Mike
 
DS9

It had imperfect characters trying to better themselves, rather than already perfect characters always being right.
 
TAS

I didn't vote because....
1. TAS wasn't listed, or
2. a "None of the Above" wasn't listed, or
3. a "write-in" or "Other" blank wasn't provided.
 
^^ Not disagreeing with you, but TAS could be argued to be a continuation rather than a spin-off.
 
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