Which one is better, the Dominion war or the Xindi arc?

[I am not Spock]

Was the Temporal Cold War actually resolved? I never watched past Season 2.

The Temporal Cold War ended when Enterprise flew across the Nazi-occupied New York skyline in 1944 and shot some torpedoes at a magic time-tunnel being built by evil alien Nazis (seriously, don't ask) but no attempt was ever made to explain what it was about or why the various plots of the TCW episodes even happened. And Future Guy still remains a mystery. The TCW died as it lived, a nonsensical thing used purely as a plot-device so the writers could do whatever they wanted without having to think up of actual reasons for it.

Yeah, B&B really didn't have a clue where they were going with the TCW. They were making it up as they went along. I'm glad they dropped it, although that said, I wish they would have at least wrapped it up properly, rather than brush it aside like they did in Storm Front. Even they didn't know who Future Guy was supposed to be.

 

[Arpy]

The Karema were not the accountants. A Karema business man appeared in an episode in which he was there to do business with a Ferengi. If Donald Trump showed up in an episode would we say all humans are the same?

I found the Dominion interesting but they really dropped the ball on a lot.

 

[Arix]

No, I'm going with the DW.

I can't stand Superhero Archer. It was like his subordinates were made to look stupid in order to make him look good. It just seemed more brawn over brain with all the FX over quality storytelling. And not to mention those neuropressure sessions.

The DW was something that was built up to, and the Dominion were repeatedly made to look a real threat, something IMO the Xindi weren't. And then you've got villians like Weyoun and Dukat who are not even in the same league as err... Dolim and whoever that chief Insectoid was.

Agreed. My vote also goes to the Dominion War. (I would have liked to see an actual poll in this thread :P)

I personally like the Xindi arc better in both ways. It had a much more complex plot, which is a good thing.

Obviously you're mistaking complex for convoluted.

This is also how I remember the Xindi arc -

Lets see if I remember this Xindi thing right.

They want to destroy Earth for poorly defined reasons. They were told that humans would destroy their homeworld in the future and they apparently believed it without question.

They test their Similar But Legally Distinct From the Death Star on Earth itself, which makes no sense storywise but the "plot" hinges on it, so they do it anyway.

The Enterprise crew dicks around in the old west for a while, then some guy from the future gives them a Xindi quarter, which is apparently enough to convince the majority of Xindi that humans won't destroy their homeworld after all.

As for this...

In DS9, they didn't have to find out why the Dominion was attacking them, they knew it from the start. In Enterprise, they didn't initially know why Earth was attacked and who were the Xindi. The Dominion war was just a war and there was nothing mysterious about it.

Wha...? I think you're forgetting that the Dominion was first mentioned back in like, Season 2! They had no idea who the Dominion even were back then!

And then, even when they DID discover who these mysterious 'Founders' were in Season 3, they didn't immediately jump into war.

Before the 'real' Dominion War started, the Founders infiltrated the Alpha Quadrant, set the Klingons to attacking the Cardassians, tricked the Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar into a 'pre-emptive strike' which was an ambush, tried to start a war between the Tzenkethi and the Federation... And thats all before any actual war broke out!

Heck, they replaced Bashir and Martok with Founders and we had NO IDEA.

So I don't know why that doesn't fit your definition of 'mysterious' but I sure think it is.

Not to mention, once the war does start, then we get 2 seasons, and many episodes (both before and during) where we're exploring who the Founders, Vorta and Jem'Hader were. We learn their motivations, their beliefs (or programming), and find out WHY they're doing what they're doing.

I don't remember Enterprise exploring any of the 5 Xindi races in that much depth.

Though I will admit, of course they could have explored the Gamma Q, and other Dominion races further - but what we DID get was still a heck of a lot more than the Xindi arc.

 

[The Wormhole]

If Donald Trump showed up in an episode would we say all humans are the same?

Yes.

 

[Search4]

Was the Temporal Cold War actually resolved? I never watched past Season 2.

The Temporal Cold War ended when Enterprise flew across the Nazi-occupied New York skyline in 1944 and shot some torpedoes at a magic time-tunnel being built by evil alien Nazis (seriously, don't ask) but no attempt was ever made to explain what it was about or why the various plots of the TCW episodes even happened. And Future Guy still remains a mystery. The TCW died as it lived, a nonsensical thing used purely as a plot-device so the writers could do whatever they wanted without having to think up of actual reasons for it.

 

[Saquist]

The Dominion War was more believable than the Xindi arc.

But both had big problems.
No part of the War with the Dominion gets truely resolved like in most war stories. They give a problem...and it gets solved instantly...The Dominion Battleship, the Breen Drain weapon or even worse they don't bring it up again. Like the take over of Betazed, the attack on Earth the destruction of entire fleets of the Federation or hey...

what about..."We not a chance in a thousand of winning this war"
"Then win the war with no special revelation.

It's like they just skip over the important parts...

 

[Whynelixwhy]

The TCW annyoed me but it wasent as annoying as Sisko vs Dukat in a magical fire fight

 

[JWD75]

The TCW annyoed me but it wasent as annoying as Sisko vs Dukat in a magical fire fight

The final confrontation between Sisko and Dukat had little to nothing to do with the DW, which was over by that point.

I'll take the DW over the TCW. Though I thought that the TCW was interesting and about the best that Enterprise had to offer, the DW was simply better written and had better characters.

 

[Voth commando1]

So the founders created an empire so they wouldn't be persecuted and what? You know I never felt the dominion where that compelling honestly-just evil empire with dem slave races and big bad ships and infiltrators and stuff. The temporal Cold War-while handled badly I think was an intriguing concept-if time travel is available to everybody it makes sense at some point it would used as a weapon or in the interests of states and terrorists-interesting idea that might have worked with different characters, actors, writers, and so on.

And I hate the magical fire fight nonsense in DS9 if I want that I'll watch Star Wars or Harry Potter-both franchises I love by the way-however that sort of thing doesn't belong in Star Trek.

 

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