While there are plenty of Trek episodes I don't particularly care for or even like, the only ones I would go so far to de-canonize are VOY's "Threshold" and ENT's "These Are The Voyages..."
Which episode(s) would you de-canonise?
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This tendency is so habitually overstated.
Wasn't it TNG that established a majority of the background for DS9?
Pretty much all the background and two of the characters.
I cannot even count all of them.
seconded-the most morally reprehensible hour of television Trek ever produced. Which is impressive considering all those TNG PD episodes where they argued for a "let 'em die" approach.
A shame too because it ruins Phlox as a character, who apart from that episode was one of the best things about ENT.
No it does not. It's episodic, you can pretend it never happened.
that works with TOS and maybe TNG, which were mostly episodic, but ENT had significant continuity, however inconsistent.
TOS - "The Alternative Factor" because its concept of alternate universes was superseded by the mirror universe and TNG - "Parallels". "Bread and Circuses" so that we don't have to deal with Hodgkins's stupid Law. "All Our Yesterdays" because of the away team's stupid behavior and because "preparation" made no sense.
TAS - "The Magicks of Megas-Tu" because "magic is real" makes no sense in Star Trek. I can accept incorporeal beings like the Q, but there's no point to magicians. "The Slaver Weapon" because the borrowing of the "200 years ago" Earth-Kzin Wars from Known Space makes no sense in Star Trek.
TNG - "The Host" because notwithstanding that DS9 superseded it on Trill symbionts, it implies that the symbiont has all the sentience while the host has no sentience.
DS9 - "Sons and Daughters" because 9-year olds shouldn't be in military service. Episodes about the Prophets because from episode to episode, the Prophets refuse to take action for no reason, don't know about something that they should have known about, and in general deserve the opposite of worship by the Bajorans.
VOY - "Threshold" for obvious reasons. "Tuvix", "Course: Oblivion", and "Ashes to Ashes" because they were unnecessarily sad. "Shattered" because it made no sense.
ENT - "Dead Stop" because it is a ridiculous stretch of "Balance of Terror"'s implications on Romulan cloaking devices. "These Are the Voyages..." for obvious reasons.
I should note, though, that I am a big fan of Star Trek novels, and many novels have provided fixes for flawed episodes.
TAS - "The Magicks of Megas-Tu" because "magic is real" makes no sense in Star Trek. I can accept incorporeal beings like the Q, but there's no point to magicians. "The Slaver Weapon" because the borrowing of the "200 years ago" Earth-Kzin Wars from Known Space makes no sense in Star Trek.
TNG - "The Host" because notwithstanding that DS9 superseded it on Trill symbionts, it implies that the symbiont has all the sentience while the host has no sentience.
DS9 - "Sons and Daughters" because 9-year olds shouldn't be in military service. Episodes about the Prophets because from episode to episode, the Prophets refuse to take action for no reason, don't know about something that they should have known about, and in general deserve the opposite of worship by the Bajorans.
VOY - "Threshold" for obvious reasons. "Tuvix", "Course: Oblivion", and "Ashes to Ashes" because they were unnecessarily sad. "Shattered" because it made no sense.
ENT - "Dead Stop" because it is a ridiculous stretch of "Balance of Terror"'s implications on Romulan cloaking devices. "These Are the Voyages..." for obvious reasons.
I should note, though, that I am a big fan of Star Trek novels, and many novels have provided fixes for flawed episodes.
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These would be my top two. I'd also add TNG's "Force of Nature" as well, particularly since that dumb Warp 5 speed limit was maybe only ever mentioned in like 1-2 episodes after that anyway (although I seem to recall it being handwaved away in Voyager's case by the moving warp nacelles).
I stick with my original answer. Because part of the fun is trying to make all this stuff fit together in one's head.
There's plenty of Trek I don't like, but I don't think that justifies de-canonizing it. I just don't watch the episodes/series/films I don't enjoy.
However if I really could choose one episode to de-canonize it would be Fury. We saw Kes ascending to a non-corporal, higher form of existence at the end of "The Gift" and Fury kind of ruined that.
Maybe not completely de-canonize, but change it so that what the Voyager met was some sort of "remnant" of Kes' physical form (like Armus in Skin of Evil) and the "real" Kes is still out there, chilling as the God-Empress of the Ocampa.
However if I really could choose one episode to de-canonize it would be Fury. We saw Kes ascending to a non-corporal, higher form of existence at the end of "The Gift" and Fury kind of ruined that.
Maybe not completely de-canonize, but change it so that what the Voyager met was some sort of "remnant" of Kes' physical form (like Armus in Skin of Evil) and the "real" Kes is still out there, chilling as the God-Empress of the Ocampa.
Bite your tongue! lol
I concur, totally forgot about Nemisis, that must be how much I want it wiped out of cannon totally erased it from my brain.
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Not the whole movie, but yeah, reversing Data's death would be good.
But isn't it a good thing if fiction is emotionally moving?
Of course we'd save a lot of people frustration and grief if we did the exact opposite.
I stick with my original answer. Because part of the fun is trying to make all this stuff fit together in one's head.
2 words Kira Maru. That whole Dukat/Kira storyline involving her mother was over the top.
Perhaps it shouldn't have been her mother, no, but just some Bajoran woman whose history Kira happened to relive for whatever reason.
But apart from that, I think it was a fine ep.
I like that at least some of your logic focused on episodes that made no sense within the Star Trek universe, rather than just listing off episodes that suck. I hate that these threads usually devolve into "this episode isn't canon b/c I don't like it!"
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