Sorry your beloved character is extremely unlikable, forgettable, and boring.
Which Doctor Did You Like Better...Dr. Crusher or Dr. Pulaski?
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Sorry your beloved character is extremely unlikable, forgettable, and boring.
Wha-a-a-ttt!
Did you just try to do a Klyden (Bortus' partner, The Orville) on a Worf? A Moclan ethic on a Klingon ethic?! Boy! You have it coming.
And while you were at it, why Bashir only? Why not McCoy, The Doctor, Phlox, Culber or any of the other life saving species? Cuz wait, they're none "women."
I think you like Bashir, which is great,
, I do too, but remember: anti-woke is still woke.Could we please NOT get personal?
Which was, I think, the entire point of the previously quoted comment (which, incidentally, was merely trying to point out that Pulaski is a character that Trekkies do still talk about, if not hotly debate.)
I Am past anti woke I fully awake manWha-a-a-ttt!
Did you just try to do a Klyden (Bortus' partner, The Orville) on a Worf? A Moclan ethic on a Klingon ethic?! Boy! You have it coming.
And while you were at it, why Bashir only? Why not McCoy, The Doctor, Phlox, Culber or any of the other life saving species? Cuz wait, they're none "women."
I think you like Bashir, which is great,
This should be interesting.
*Oddish puts on his blast goggles and eats popcorn and waits for the explosion.*
None of the three (Bashir included) were all that. Crusher was forgettable (unless she has a phaser in her hand, then she was bada**). Pulaski could be hard to like sometimes, but she wasn't boring. Bashir too, in a different way.
The only character of the group who was all three was... Mirror Bashir. A stubbly chin does not an interesting character make. They should have dumped him and brought back "Rules of Obedience" Mirror Odo.
think you like Bashir, which is great,
No. Woke is saying: "you disagree with me, so I am going to bully, harass, torment, shut down, and punish you until you agree with me." Anti-woke is saying to someone: "you disagree with me, and I respect your right to do so."
Utter bullshit. I am as woke as can be, meaning I recognize people who have been marginalized in history and wish to encourage their equality and participation in society. "Anti-woke" means you want to be able to make Jew jokes and not care who is offended. No woke person I know wants to bully anyone but we do try to educate.
(Speaking as a board member only.)
And as a former moderator myself, I respect you for making that distinction.
EDIT: And you're right, according to Google's definition of the word. My mistake.
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Giggle you mean indoctrinate not educate
Stating your opinion and beliefs, respectfully and without insults or abusiveness, is not indoctrination. It's only indoctrination when you attempt to harm, abuse, or suppress those who don't agree with you.
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Yes woke
Let me offer you your first TROLLING warning. You're not makung any friends here.
If Pulaski was still on the show, they'd make "Sub Rosa" a Troi episode.
I didn't like Pulaski when I originally watched it, but now I understand the character more. In Unnatural Selection, Dr. Kingsley immediately identifies her as a top expert in infectious diseases when she hears her name. I imagine she had a research job at top university where many scientists were eager to get Pulaski to endorse their research, help them get grants, etc. She is a jerk, but it's sort of consistent with some people in academia who are top leaders in their field. As soon as she heard there was an opening on the Federation flagship, she immediately learned all about it and requested a transfer. Her natural attitude was probably that they were lucky to be "working with Pulaski". Picard is also at a top of his field. He's more polite, but he's equally arrogant. I agree with Picard's brother that Picard's humility isn't very convincing. So Picard and Pulaski butt heads. The flagship is an elite posting, and it attracts some big egos.
After years of choosing Pulaski, I'd honestly come to the conclusion that I didn't like either very much. Crusher was just dull so much of the time. Though McFadden did stand out in "Remember Me" and "Sub Rosa", which I think is underrated. Pulaski? They just tried way to hard to channel McCoy. But her relationship with Worf was pretty stand out in "Up the Long Ladder".
Excellent analysis. Thanks. Unnatural Selection is usually the episode in my mind which makes Pulaski really stand out. And Elementary Dear Data of course.
In the larger Trek cosmology, Gates McFadden is obviously more important, more essential. But just one season of Diana Muldaur did also create quite an impact (this thread itself being the evidence any Trekkie or TNG fan needs).
So, impact analysis, as far as TNG is concerned:
1 season of Pulaski vs. 6 seasons of Beverly (also ex-wife of J-L P...All Good Things etc.)?
Pulaski wins. Though maybe PIC S3 will change all that.
I don't think it's a cop-out at all. It's a more than fair consideration. We don't know how the Pulaski character would have evolved had she stayed. It seems batty to em to compare so many appearances of Crusher with so few of Pulaski.
It would be more telling to go back to the end of season two and then ask the fanbase who they prefer. Of course, that's not possible but if someone ever does invent that time machine, shoot me a PM because I'm more than ready to leave the present day.
Not as much a direct channeling. She didn't run around saying "I'm just a country doctor" or the more oft-used cliche of "I'm a doctor, not a ______" (which is far closer to anything one could deem as an actual ripoff). The "antagonistic yet developing friendship" between her and Data was patterned off of McCoy/Spock, but IMHO it's a loose parallel and there's plenty of innovating - indeed, Spock/McCoy was always "frenemy", but Pulaski started out actively disliking Data and grew to like him and I maintain "Pen Pals" is the big turning point as she sees firsthand his concern for biological organisms and she's jubilant when defending him to "Let 'em all die" Picard. Data was showing more than the sum of his programming. Which can be good or bad as far as computer logic can go*. For an example of "bad", see Lore for more... But had Pulaski stayed for the glorious third season, we'd see more integral development and depth rising far beyond any of the "She's just a McCoy clone" when she, IMHO, never was.
* and if you saw such a thing in real life, what would a computer decide of its own accord and then execute - without any human control or impetus? There's a reason it's more fun when sci-fi delves into the "bad". There's a reason why it's also "sci-fi".
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