Where would you rank it with the other films?
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Yet First Contact is your number three? Interesting.
Isn't there a Chekov related inconsistency in TWOK?
Didn't look over everything, and don't know yet, but for what the movie had to accomplish, it has my respect. It is up in the top 3, I would say.
Next one. Watch out for the next one. I predict great things.
Didn't look over everything, and don't know yet, but for what the movie had to accomplish, it has my respect. It is up in the top 3, I would say.
Next one. Watch out for the next one. I predict great things.
1. TMP
2. TWOK/TSFS*
3. ST-XI
4. TUC
5. TVH
*Because, let's face it, they belong together.
ST-XI is a welcome anomaly to the trekiverse: it's the same fundamental Star Trek with a totally different recipe. I feel like a kid who's grown up eating nothing but Popeyes when suddenly a KFC opens down the street and it's like "Wow, this is different, but good!"
I think the thing I appreciate about this movie the most is the balance of its strengths and weaknesses. It has some plot holes and some steadicam craziness, but all of this is forgiveable because it has a phenomenal story, some good lines, massive character development and lots of action. This is the stuff that makes Trek great for me, so I rank it up there in the hall of fame.
2. TWOK/TSFS*
3. ST-XI
4. TUC
5. TVH
*Because, let's face it, they belong together.
ST-XI is a welcome anomaly to the trekiverse: it's the same fundamental Star Trek with a totally different recipe. I feel like a kid who's grown up eating nothing but Popeyes when suddenly a KFC opens down the street and it's like "Wow, this is different, but good!"
I think the thing I appreciate about this movie the most is the balance of its strengths and weaknesses. It has some plot holes and some steadicam craziness, but all of this is forgiveable because it has a phenomenal story, some good lines, massive character development and lots of action. This is the stuff that makes Trek great for me, so I rank it up there in the hall of fame.
Right, because the screenwriting for First Contact was oscar material.
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--Deleted Scene from First Contact--
Queen: Watch your future's end!
Picard: You're out of your mind if you think this is going to work!
Queen: Oh really? The torpedoes are about to kill Zephram Coch--
Picard: Which means we'll never meet the Vulcans, we'll never form
the Federation, and we'll never develop high technology.
Queen: Yes. You'll be easy prey for us.
Picard: Specifically, we'll be a bunch of ignorant barbarians with nuclear
weapons. Why would you even WANT to assimilate us?
Queen: Uh... well... <thinking>
Picard: I mean, I thought the whole point of the Borg was you were
interested in our technology, right? We had advanced technology and
resources and you wanted it for yourselves. Now here you are trying
to keep us from ever developing warp drive. Isn't that kind of self-defeating?
Queen: Well... you humans are smart, we want your smarts. Yeah, that's it.
Data: Wouldn't it have been easier to travel back, say, ten years in time
before we ever heard of the Borg and assimilated us before we were ready
to fight back? Just a thought.
Queen: <Sighs> Can't you just give me credit for my clever sinister wickedness?
Is that so much to ask?
that is great, so true
#1. The Motion Picture:
The closest a "Star Trek" film got to exploring space. The theme of the necessity of imperfection for the connections it creates between people and universe is a joy to see played out in the growth of Spock and V'Ger, and the rebuilding of the Enterprise crew. Is it flawed? Absolutely! Does it make me think and feel? Same answer.
#2. The Wrath of Khan:
By far the most dramatic and exciting film of the franchise. It's put together better than any other film, it just doesn't have all of the ingredients I want in a space exploration story. The Genesis device is an intriguing concept that gets one minute of attention. This is understandable. The film is called "The Wrath of Khan," not "The Edge of Ethics." Khan is still the greatest villain in the franchise.
#3. Star Trek XI:
An exciting, dramatic, and humorous reintroduction to Kirk and Spock filled with some surprises and twists. The pace is a little bit too fast, leaving some logic, plot points, and character details behind. The focus of the film though, who Kirk and Spock are, and one way their friendship could have begun, is a thrill to watch.
#4. The Undiscovered Country:
This is a nice swan song for the original crew as they fight for, and remember Federation ideals in the face of everyone's, including their own, fears and biases.
#5. The Search for Spock:
The ending was obvious, but the path there was surprising. The crew gives Starfleet the finger. The Enterprise is destroyed. Kirk's son is killed. It’s a little depressing, but a true test of friendship and the important things in life.
#6. The Voyage Home:
Everyone got something to do. Some of the humor works well. But it's a mostly pointless romp to a happy ending for the "trilogy."
#7. Nemesis:
This film tries to do some interesting things, but never quite succeeds. The nature verse nurture theme, the villain trying to become something more than an afterthought, big space battles. Everything just falls short, and feels small and simplistic.
#8. First Contact:
What kind of a way is this to make a movie! It climaxes at the beginning, and winds down from there, starting as an unstoppable invasion film, and turning into "Starship Mine." While I can just barely justify the existence of the Borg Queen, her actions make no sense.
#9. Generations:
This is just a sloppily put together check list. Kill Kirk, destroy the Enterprise, and give Data emotions. The execution of everything is poor.
#10. The Final Frontier:
To be honest, this is the worst film. The only way to keep it out of the bottom is to view it as Kirk's campfire dream.
#11. Insurrection:
Picard and Company are the bad guys! How can it right to let 600 freeloading, elitist, hippies be the only one's to enjoy a miracle, at the expense of billions of Federation citizens in a time of war?
The closest a "Star Trek" film got to exploring space. The theme of the necessity of imperfection for the connections it creates between people and universe is a joy to see played out in the growth of Spock and V'Ger, and the rebuilding of the Enterprise crew. Is it flawed? Absolutely! Does it make me think and feel? Same answer.
#2. The Wrath of Khan:
By far the most dramatic and exciting film of the franchise. It's put together better than any other film, it just doesn't have all of the ingredients I want in a space exploration story. The Genesis device is an intriguing concept that gets one minute of attention. This is understandable. The film is called "The Wrath of Khan," not "The Edge of Ethics." Khan is still the greatest villain in the franchise.
#3. Star Trek XI:
An exciting, dramatic, and humorous reintroduction to Kirk and Spock filled with some surprises and twists. The pace is a little bit too fast, leaving some logic, plot points, and character details behind. The focus of the film though, who Kirk and Spock are, and one way their friendship could have begun, is a thrill to watch.
#4. The Undiscovered Country:
This is a nice swan song for the original crew as they fight for, and remember Federation ideals in the face of everyone's, including their own, fears and biases.
#5. The Search for Spock:
The ending was obvious, but the path there was surprising. The crew gives Starfleet the finger. The Enterprise is destroyed. Kirk's son is killed. It’s a little depressing, but a true test of friendship and the important things in life.
#6. The Voyage Home:
Everyone got something to do. Some of the humor works well. But it's a mostly pointless romp to a happy ending for the "trilogy."
#7. Nemesis:
This film tries to do some interesting things, but never quite succeeds. The nature verse nurture theme, the villain trying to become something more than an afterthought, big space battles. Everything just falls short, and feels small and simplistic.
#8. First Contact:
What kind of a way is this to make a movie! It climaxes at the beginning, and winds down from there, starting as an unstoppable invasion film, and turning into "Starship Mine." While I can just barely justify the existence of the Borg Queen, her actions make no sense.
#9. Generations:
This is just a sloppily put together check list. Kill Kirk, destroy the Enterprise, and give Data emotions. The execution of everything is poor.
#10. The Final Frontier:
To be honest, this is the worst film. The only way to keep it out of the bottom is to view it as Kirk's campfire dream.
#11. Insurrection:
Picard and Company are the bad guys! How can it right to let 600 freeloading, elitist, hippies be the only one's to enjoy a miracle, at the expense of billions of Federation citizens in a time of war?
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1. Star Trek
2. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
3. Star Trek: First Contact
4. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
The rest just kind of dwindle in quality for me.
2. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
3. Star Trek: First Contact
4. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
The rest just kind of dwindle in quality for me.
I don't do this often.
1. Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
2. Star Trek (2009)
3. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
4. Star Trek: First Contact
5. Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country
6. Star Trek: The Voyage Home
7. Star Trek: The Search for Spock
8. Star Trek: Generations
9. Star Trek: Insurrection
10. Star Trek: The Final Frontier
11. Star Trek: Nemesis
1. Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
2. Star Trek (2009)
3. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
4. Star Trek: First Contact
5. Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country
6. Star Trek: The Voyage Home
7. Star Trek: The Search for Spock
8. Star Trek: Generations
9. Star Trek: Insurrection
10. Star Trek: The Final Frontier
11. Star Trek: Nemesis
1. Star Trek: First Contact
2. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
....Star Trek [2009]
3. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
4. Star Trek: Insurrection
5. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
6. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
7. Star Trek: Generations
8. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
9. Star Trek: Nemesis
10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier [the one aspect of Trek I do not own on DVD.]
2. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
....Star Trek [2009]
3. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
4. Star Trek: Insurrection
5. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
6. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
7. Star Trek: Generations
8. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
9. Star Trek: Nemesis
10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier [the one aspect of Trek I do not own on DVD.]
1. Wrath of Khan
2. First contact
3. search for spock
4. generations
5. undiscovered country
6. star trek
7. motion picture
8. voyage home
9. nemesis
10. final frontier
11. insurrection
2. First contact
3. search for spock
4. generations
5. undiscovered country
6. star trek
7. motion picture
8. voyage home
9. nemesis
10. final frontier
11. insurrection
but do u own it on VHS?
Agree with you pretty much 100%. I love TOS and TNG, but my nerd mind likes the exposition. For the general public to like Trek though it has to do away with a lot of this crap. Trek XI did a great job of that IMO while keeping true to the original characters.
My list would go something like this:
1. TUC
2. Trek XI
3. TWOK
4. FC
Below this level, the rest of the TOS movies are watchable but unmemorable, and the TNG movies border on being the worst movies of all time.
Star Trek XI
Wrath of Khan
First Contact
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
Search For Spock
Generations (love the first 10-15 minutes)
Insurrection
Motion Picture
Final Frontier
Nemesis
Wrath of Khan
First Contact
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
Search For Spock
Generations (love the first 10-15 minutes)
Insurrection
Motion Picture
Final Frontier
Nemesis
1. Star Trek
2. Wrath of Khan
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. First Contact
5. Insurrection.
What Insurrection at no 5. you say? I grew up with Picard and co. so the TNG movies were my favorite for a long time. Insurrection had a mildly interesting story, some great action scenes. But it was the sense of familiarity and fun that I love most. I have come to recognize the greatness of the earlier movies. Khan is undeniably superb, as is TUC. Nick Meyer transformed Trek with those two movies and literally made it the Trek we love today. First Contact is the best TNG movie but I must have watched it a hundred times and I almost can't now. All I see are the errors (Enterprise has 24 decks... the Borg have taken decks 26-11) and plotholes now. Star Trek 2009 is the most fun, contemporary, fast paced and exciting Trek. How it will rate in 10 years we'll have to see. But for now it's my favorite.
2. Wrath of Khan
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. First Contact
5. Insurrection.
What Insurrection at no 5. you say? I grew up with Picard and co. so the TNG movies were my favorite for a long time. Insurrection had a mildly interesting story, some great action scenes. But it was the sense of familiarity and fun that I love most. I have come to recognize the greatness of the earlier movies. Khan is undeniably superb, as is TUC. Nick Meyer transformed Trek with those two movies and literally made it the Trek we love today. First Contact is the best TNG movie but I must have watched it a hundred times and I almost can't now. All I see are the errors (Enterprise has 24 decks... the Borg have taken decks 26-11) and plotholes now. Star Trek 2009 is the most fun, contemporary, fast paced and exciting Trek. How it will rate in 10 years we'll have to see. But for now it's my favorite.
Nope. I don't own TFF in anyway, shape, or form.
(My parents have a dub of it on VHS that I used to watch as a kid but that tape is long gone.)
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