Where would you rank it with the other films?

[Amaris]

Don't worry, I did the same thing, but with Insurrection.

J.

Yeah but that's understandable - INS was quite forgettable.

I reshuffled the list twice before I realized it wasn't there either time.

It wasn't even a movie, but a glorified rehashed mediocre episode that was entirely unrelatable and cheeseball, with each character out of character.

You just described ST 5.

John SMASH!


J.

 

[jeff lebowski]

literally cannot believe how many people are ranking this pile of turd at the top of their lists. it's not just a poor star trek film - it's a pitiful fucking movie full stop.

Bwahahahaaaaa....bitter much? JJ Abrams owns you and your sorry ilk.

just posted this on another forum i frequent -

Spoiler: this movie blows chunks

• wtf did nero wait 25 fucking years to actually do anything after arriving in the 23rd century? he just floated around space doing the square root of fuck all. his motivation for wanting to destroy vulcan and earth (for some inexplicable reason) was that he blamed the vulcans - and specifically spock - for the destruction of romulus. so this pent up rage is allowed to fester for twenty five years while he... errr... waits for future spock to arrive at a specific point in space in time that he had absolutely no way of knowing, but would be there waiting for him the precise moment he arrived anyway... what?
• romulus was destroyed by a supernova. however it wasn't the romulan star that exploded. rather this supernova was a star system distant to romulus that was a threat to the entire galaxy. WHAT!?
• why exactly didn't the romulans, y'know, EVACUATE THEIR FUCKING PLANET!? spock had enough time to fly halfway across the galaxy to nearly prevent the destruction of romulus, meanwhile the rommies sat around doing the square root of fuck all. any race of people THAT stupid deserve to die imho.
• Spock's solution to this physics-challenged catastrophe was to create a black hole on the event horizon, thereby stopping the exploding stars destructive path in its tracks. what? no, really... WHAT!!!???
• they tried to portray nero as a decent individual who'd been simply stricken with rage at the destruction of his home world. nice idea i suppose. doesn't explain why his fucking mining ship was armed to the teeth with torpedos that are stupidly advanced even by 24th/25th century trek standards, and that as soon as he falls through the temporal anomaly and into the 23rd century he just starts randomly firing at the first starship in sight. no mourning or grieving, just open fire. he THEN does NOTHING for 25 fucking years when he realises he's in the 23rd century blah blah blah said it above. nero's so stupid and pent up with rage that he doesn't even think that he now has 130 years in which to save romulus from the aformentioned physics-challenged catastrophe, no, he decides to do NOTHING for 25 fucking years blah blah blah and then try and kill all vulcans, kirk, and earth. whoppee.
• why the fuck does the enterprise - pointed out a few times by senior starfleeters and captain pike as the federations flagship - have no line officers abaord AT ALL besides captain pike himself and PointySylar? scotty beams aboard from the middle of bumfuck idaho for all PointySylar knows - PointySylar actually asks scotty if he's even in starfleet, and then sends him off to engineering. what?
• PointySylar arrseting kirk for insubordination? fine. no probs. but trying to kill him on the bridge? and no-one bats a fucking eyelid? casting him off ship on a practically deserted and dangerous ice world (hello hoth rip off) rather than, y'know, sending a prisoner - a Starfleet Cadet no less - to the brig? and no-one even flinches at this? mccoy even tells PointySylar he understands why he did it. WHAT!?
• When pike leaves the enterprise to face nero, he makes PointySylar acting skipper. fine. but installing kirk - a suspended from duty kirk facing unresolved charges of cheating from starfleet academy - as first officer? jesus wept.
• iirc PointySylar tells the crew he HAS to beam down to vulcan to rescue his parents. they're in the council chambers, and there is no external communication allowed into those chambers. what? how the fuck did he know they were there then? the movie also made a big deal of two things - vulcan prejudice against humans, and PointySylars mother being human. just what in blue blazes would she of all people be doing in the council chambers then?
• spock was less than 20 klicks away from the starfleet research base on Hoth-light when kirk found him. yet instead of heading over there, he decided to wait around in a freezing cave with no food, one pair of clothes and fuck all else until kirk rocks up before making his way there.
• spock sees the destruction of vulcan from Hoth's surface. it's therefore reasonable to assume that Hoth is a moon of vulcan - at worst it's a planet in the vulcan star system. yet, this remarkable Hoth-a-like is immune to the gravity effects of black holes. while vulcan is being ripped apart by a black hole inserted into its core (WHAT!!!???), hoth just casually and smugly continues to orbit around its star completely impervious to said black hole gravity.
• the movie tries to explain away the lack of starfleet ships as them ALL being off in some distant system or whatever doing something that must have been stupidly important... anyways, when nero's ship arrives in orbit of earth there's no ship to stop him. so he just deploys the driller-killer into the middle of san francisco bay and starts singing i'm too perfect for my cat... meanwhile, down in san francisco - the home of the entire federations navy, on the CAPITAL planet of the entire federation, people are just running around like complete and utter spastic children. no ground defences launched, no missiles, not even a fucking hand phaser... IT'S A PIECE OF FUCKING MINING EQUIPMENT FFS! 23rd century earth deserved to dies as much as the 24th century rommies did on the basis of being complete and utter retards.
• and finally... kirk being promoted to captain - directly from cadet? WHAT!!!!!?????

look, i'm all for suspending my disbelief to accept a few dubious plot points, but this just screamed of a film written by authors who simply weren't thinking about what the fuck they were writing - as long as it was cool and flashy and appelaed to the masses, to fuck with the rest of it.

the movie is quite simply all style and absolutely zero substance. it's a poor trek film - as bad as nemesis, just better looking - and an equally poor sci-fi flick.

That's hilarious,

and most of the rants are justified.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

"Hoth light"... pissing myself here..

But. You're wrong.

 

[tfarr]

I thought it was better than The Phantom Menace, but not as good as The Attack of the Clones and definitely not as good as Revenge of the Sith.

Oh wait, you're saying this was a Star Trek movie?

Just making fun (god I hated this movie....)

Here's my list

1. Insurrection
2. First Contact
3. Wrath of Kahn
4. Undiscovered Country
5. Search for Spock
6. The Voyage Home
7. The Final Frontier
8. Generations
9. Nemesis
10. The Motion Picture

I'd rather watch The Motion Picture. That is a sad sad statement.

 

[Star Treks]

I guess I'll try to give a full, ranked list:

1. Star Trek
2. First Contact
3. The Wrath of Khan
4. The Undiscovered Country
5. The Voyage Home
6. Generations
7. The Motion Picture
8. Nemesis
9. The Search for Spock
10. Insurrection
11. The Final Frontier

 

[Mjuice]

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. First Contact
4. The Search for Spock
5. Generations
6. The Voyage Home
7. The Final Frontier
8. Insurrection
9. Nemesis
10. The Motion Picture

11. Star Trek XI

Some of the other films might have flaws and fail at what they're trying to achieve at times, but this latest travesty I believe to be fundamentally wrong in t's approach.

 

[BrownShatner]

I've seen most of the ST films in the theater, so, in no particular order.

Movies where I felt like I got my money worth:
II, III, First Contact, ST2009

Movies where I left the theater feeling ripped off:
TMP (not what I expected as a kid but I grew to love it later), IV (kitch!), Final Frontier, Generations, Nemisis

Given that the Star Trek franchise as a whole is batting under .500, the new film is not too shabby.

 

[quazar]

#1 Star Trek XI
Close #2 Star Trek the Motion Picture
#3 Search for Spock
#4 Wrath of Khan
#5 Final Frontier
#6 Undiscovered Country
#7 Insurrection
#8 Voyage Home
#9 First Contact
#10 Generations
#11 Nemesis

 

[quazar]

I thought it was better than The Phantom Menace, but not as good as The Attack of the Clones and definitely not as good as Revenge of the Sith.

Oh wait, you're saying this was a Star Trek movie?

Just making fun (god I hated this movie....)

Here's my list

1. Insurrection
2. First Contact
3. Wrath of Kahn
4. Undiscovered Country
5. Search for Spock
6. The Voyage Home
7. The Final Frontier
8. Generations
9. Nemesis
10. The Motion Picture

I'd rather watch The Motion Picture. That is a sad sad statement.

This whole list is sad. TMP rules. And the Star Wars comparisons to me are just flippin lame.

 

[Trekwatcher]

1) TWOK
2) TMP
3) TSFS
4) TUC
5) Generations
6) FC/ST XI (tie)
8) TVH/TFF (tie)
10) Insurrection
11) Nemesis

 

[cultcross]

This whole list is sad. TMP rules. And the Star Wars comparisons to me are just flippin lame.

Pretty much any movie set in space gets compared to Star Wars. Never mind the multitude of standard genre or even Star Trek specific things that Wars ripped off, if anything is remotely like something on Star Wars, it was a shameless ripoff.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I thought it was better than The Phantom Menace, but not as good as The Attack of the Clones and definitely not as good as Revenge of the Sith.

Oh wait, you're saying this was a Star Trek movie?

Just making fun (god I hated this movie....)

Ha. *breathing pause* Ha.

Star Wars comparisons are lame. Like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter comparisons.

No offense to you, dear poster. It just wasn't funny.

 

[BorgPhil]

First Contact
TUC
Star Trek
TWOK
TSFS
Generations
Nemesis
TVH
TMP
Insurrection
TFF

 

[Lynn Minmay]

1. ST
2. TWOK
3. FC
4. TUC
5. TVH
6. GEN
7. TSFS
8. INS
9. NEM
10. TMP
11. TFF

 

[Jolantru]

1. Star Trek
2. The Wrath of Khan (close 2nd)
3. First Contact
4. The Undiscovered Country
5. The Search for Spock
6. The Voyage Home
7. Star Trek The Motion Picture
8. Insurrection
9. Nemesis
10. The Final Frontier
11. Generations

 

[Cryogenic]

Re: A slightly earlier line of discussion...

All the SW prequels are vastly superior to Trek XI, in my opinion. They're better shot, better edited, better scored, better scripted and better acted, with a bold cinematic style and sweeping story. Even the most derided aspects of them are somewhat misunderstood. Jar Jar has a deep story function, and, to me, is a very engaging character -- I'd honestly say he's one of the most memorable and entertaining fantasy characters of the last twenty years. The dialogue also comes in for a lot of criticism, particularly the romantic dialogue of AOTC, but I find it quite evocative and skillfully done, personally. You kinda have to see behind the films and feel the Force (pun intended) underneath, though. That's what art is all about. When I watch a prequel, I sense a great intellect at work. A keen observer of human nature, human custom, human society, combined with a love of the frivolous and the absurd. The prequels are every bit as "Star Wars" as the originals. Again, to me.

Anyway, where am I? Oh, yeah! A Star Trek forum!

OK ...

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[Cheebo]

The only one better than the new film is Khan.

 

[Jolantru]

All the SW prequels are vastly superior to Trek XI, in my opinion. They're better shot, better edited, better scored, better scripted and better acted, with a bold cinematic style and sweeping story.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Meesa No Thinks so. Yousa thinkin' that the Jar Jar Binks is bombad? YOOOOUSA KWAZY!!!

 

[mythicdove]

STII
ST 2009
STVI
ST Generations
STIII
STIV
STI
ST Insurrection
ST Nemesis
ST First Contact
STV

 

[cultcross]

They're better shot, better edited, better scored, better scripted and better acted, with a bold cinematic style and sweeping story. Even the most derided aspects of them are somewhat misunderstood. Jar Jar has a deep story function, and, to me, is a very engaging character -- I'd honestly say he's one of the most memorable and entertaining fantasy characters of the last twenty years. The dialogue also comes in for a lot of criticism, particularly the romantic dialogue of AOTC, but I find it quite evocative and skillfully done, personally.

Forgive me, but:
The dialogue, particualrly that between Anakin and Padmé in the third film, but also a lot that poor Obi-Wan has to say, is so awful it is actively painful to listen to. You could believe that Lucas had never heard real people talking, ever. Lord of the Rings had soem clunky dialogue, but it pails in comparison to the sort of crap the characters were spoutign by Revenge of the Sith. I cannot fathom how anyone whose had, well, a normal conversation with anyone, ever, would consider it well written or natural dialogue.