When Do You Want To See Burnham Become The STD Captain?

[Grendelsbayne]

Well she might have the right to waive counsel, but even if she had counsel she pleaded guilty to the charges. So striaght onto the sentancing phase. Now you might be able to try and argue that the actions after Georgioiu where down to emotional impariment but the mutiny charge is a little harder to get around.

She tried to subdue her CO and take command of the Shenzhou, after her CO decided not to follow her advice. She then also proceeded to lie that her CO had changed her mind.

The best result she could realistically hope for is for rank to be restored as for the Captain's chair that should be out of the question.

Is that like how Kirk, Spock, Scotty and Sulu couldn't possibly hope for the captain's chair after they literally stole a starship and destroyed it?

Anyway, restoring her to rank but barring her from command would be ridiculous on the face of it. Anyone with a sufficient rank can potentially find themselves in command if the situation goes south, therefore no one who is deemed permanently unfit for command should ever be allowed such a rank in the first place (pretty much anything higher than Ensign would be laughable, and I'm pretty sure we've even seen Ensigns in the position of taking command at least once or twice).

Either Burnham is forgiven by Starfleet (in which case, a Captaincy is no problem, even if it should realistically take some time before she can get there) or she isn't (in which case the best she can hope for is to remain a specialist outside the chain of command).

 

[Bay17]

I want to see William Shatner in Starfleet, Boston Legal style!

Favourite scene

A gunman takes over the Boston Legal office

Shatner gets a rifle out of a cupboard and says to someone:

“Get out of my way! I was a Marine!

...or was it a pilot? I forget..”

 

[MacLeod]

Is that like how Kirk, Spock, Scotty and Sulu couldn't possibly hope for the captain's chair after they literally stole a starship and destroyed it?

Then again Kirk and Co where never actually convicted of stealing a starship or destroying it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

When it comes down to it, Starfleet Admiralty allowed an infiltrator (who was sleeping with a member of said Admiralty) to take over one of their ships, kill prisoners and a guard

Prisoners? You mean "Stone, Cold & Psycho" ( ) from "Context Is For Kings"? They weren't killed.

 

[XCV330]

Prisoners? You mean "Stone, Cold & Psycho" ( ) from "Context Is For Kings"? They weren't killed.

There was an implication that shuttle never made it to wherever it was going.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ What was that? Saru's threat ganglia? That could mean anything. Maybe the prisoners themselves just creeped him out. As for the pilot - she could have used her spacesuit to get back, I'm sure it had maneuvering thrusters even in the event of tether loss.

What motive would Lorca have had to destroy the shuttle, anyway?

 

[Ronald Held]

Has Burnham done enough in the MU escape to get some rank restored?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I think her record of service on the Discovery will weigh heavily in her favor. That, coupled with the fact that she was obviously not really responsible for starting the Klingon War, will have to be considered by Starfleet.

The mutiny...that's a toughie. It seems clear that Burnham didn't mutiny out of a desire to subvert the chain of command, or permanently take the Shenzhou for herself, she did it because she honestly believed that Georgiou's inaction was endangering the ship. (Which begs the question, why didn't she simply call out "Belay that order" or something like that. Wouldn't that be within her rights as the Shenzhou's 'XO?) And of course the charge of treason was totally without merit. So Burnham could have a case that her tribunal was grossly unfair, and so Starfleet's going to have to look at that as well.

 

[fireproof78]

The mutiny...that's a toughie. It seems clear that Burnham didn't mutiny out of a desire to subvert the chain of command, or permanently take the Shenzhou for herself, she did it because she honestly believed that Georgiou's inaction was endangering the ship. (Which begs the question, why didn't she simply call out "Belay that order" or something like that. Wouldn't that be within her rights as the Shenzhou's 'XO?) And of course the charge of treason was totally without merit. So Burnham could have a case that her tribunal was grossly unfair, and so Starfleet's going to have to look at that as well.

It's basically "Crimson Tide" in Starfleet.

 

[MacLeod]

^ I think her record of service on the Discovery will weigh heavily in her favor. That, coupled with the fact that she was obviously not really responsible for starting the Klingon War, will have to be considered by Starfleet.

The mutiny...that's a toughie. It seems clear that Burnham didn't mutiny out of a desire to subvert the chain of command, or permanently take the Shenzhou for herself, she did it because she honestly believed that Georgiou's inaction was endangering the ship. (Which begs the question, why didn't she simply call out "Belay that order" or something like that. Wouldn't that be within her rights as the Shenzhou's 'XO?) And of course the charge of treason was totally without merit. So Burnham could have a case that her tribunal was grossly unfair, and so Starfleet's going to have to look at that as well.

Perhaps, but once a Captain has made their decision it is up to the crew to follow those orders (unless the order was illegal).

She might not have been responsible for starting the war but she might be responsible for prolonging it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

She might not have been responsible for starting the war but she might be responsible for prolonging it.

Remember, these are Klingons we're talking about. The war will go on for as long as they feel like. Burnham didn't start OR prolong it.

 

[MacLeod]

Remember, these are Klingons we're talking about. The war will go on for as long as they feel like. Burnham didn't start OR prolong it.

What if the original plan to capture the leader worked.

 

[Nyotarules]

I want to see William Shatner in Starfleet, Boston Legal style!

I'm Captain Denny Crane, I have Mad Kelpian disease!

 

[fireproof78]

What if the original plan to capture the leader worked.

He allowed himself to be captured and is not worthy to lead.

 

[Tom]

Do you think MU 'Captain' Georgio will promote Burham to first officer and demote Suru down because she considers Kelpians slaves (and food lol)?

 

[fireproof78]

Do you think MU 'Captain' Georgio will promote Burham to first officer and demote Suru down because she considers Kelpians slaves (and food lol)?

I don't think she will live that long.

 

[Commander_Marko]

Don't know if that was answered in the show,but can anyone's tell me how MU Burnham died? Thanks

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Her shuttlecraft was presumed destroyed during her search for MU Lorca.

Then again, I guess we don't really know what happened to her, because we've also found out that MU's Burnham and Lorca were working together all along....

 

[Commander_Marko]

^ Her shuttlecraft was presumed destroyed during her search for MU Lorca.

Then again, I guess we don't really know what happened to her, because we've also found out that MU's Burnham and Lorca were working together all along....

So I didn't miss anything.Thanks for the reply.Man I hope that gets cleared up because not knowing really bugs me

 

[Tom]

^ Her shuttlecraft was presumed destroyed during her search for MU Lorca.

Then again, I guess we don't really know what happened to her, because we've also found out that MU's Burnham and Lorca were working together all along....

Maybe she found PU Lorca (in the MU thinking it was MU Lorca) and that are both alive and some how get brought to the PU, that would be a twist.