When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?

[Guy Gardener]

We have to give this highly decorated, outstanding officer, who not only became an Admiral after returning to Earth, she did dispatched the Borg but has been the only being in the universe who made deals with them. If a Captain can do the unthinkable with the Borg, just imagine how she could've handled Odo's people?

Per First Contact, the official policy of Star Fleet, no matter how life endangering the situation, was to sideline anyone from combat with the Borg who had ever been assimilated by the Borg.

They took Kathryn's ship and gave her a desk. Her job is to tell Captains of a certain age, who can't work email, what it is they are supposed to do "today" even after there was no more Borg anymore.

 

[Danja]

Per First Contact, the official policy of Star Fleet, no matter how life endangering the situation, was to sideline anyone from combat with the Borg who had ever been assimilated by the Borg.

They took Kathryn's ship and gave her a desk. Her job is to tell Captains of a certain age, who can't work email, what it is they are supposed to do "today" even after there was no more Borg anymore.

Why was Picard able to keep HIS command of Enterprise after FC?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Why was Picard able to keep HIS command of Enterprise after FC?

I was leaning towards, "Why did they let him keep his ship after The Best of Both Worlds" but I was also wondering if they would let Geordi go up against Klingons, after they bugged his VISOR and destroyed the Enterprise D.

Maybe he was forced to up grade to the cybernetic eyes he had in First Contact, which may have been available for a while, but its elective brain surgery, which is just hella daunting, or they would kick him out of Starfleet?

 

[Danja]

I was leaning towards, "Why did they let him keep his ship after The Best of Both Worlds" but I was also wondering if they would let Geordi go up against Klingons, after they bugged his VISOR and destroyed the Enterprise D.

You still haven't answered my question.

Why was Picard able to keep his command of the Enterprise after First Contact?

Never mind Geordi ... I'm talking about Picard.

 

[Oddish]

They took Kathryn's ship and gave her a desk. Her job is to tell Captains of a certain age, who can't work email, what it is they are supposed to do "today" even after there was no more Borg anymore.

They gave Janeway a desk because she wanted one. She needed some rest and relaxation, and a place with a comfy chair and unlimited coffee and where she could be close to her dog.

You simply don't tell she who made fear afraid and sent death back to hell enptyhanded what you want her to do... you find out what she wants, then step aside and let her do it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You still haven't answered my question.

Why was Picard able to keep his command of the Enterprise after First Contact?

Never mind Geordi ... I'm talking about Picard.

First Contact Picard returned to a different timeline.

It's possible that the PIcard we know was sent to time jail, for being a heretic from a different timeline who graduated from the wrong Starfleet Academy, swore an oath to an alternative Federation, and enforced an upside down legal code across a foreign Galaxy... And it's the native PIcard, from the new universe created by First Contact who was in Nemesis and Insurrection, which is why those movies sucked.

 

[Danja]

They gave Janeway a desk because she wanted one. She needed some rest and relaxation, and a place with a comfy chair and unlimited coffee and where she could be close to her dog.

You simply don't tell she who made fear afraid and sent death back to hell enptyhanded what you want her to do... you find out what she wants, then step aside and let her do it.

I can see her wanting some R & R after seven years in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Ragitsu]

^ During that minor exchange, I imagined J.L.P. looking on with a pensive stare and quietly uttering "The line must be drawn here. This far, no further.". I couldn't stop laughing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Why was Picard able to keep HIS command of Enterprise after FC?

They wanted Q's annual visit's to be as far away from Earth as possible.

 

[at Quark's]

They wanted Q's annual visit's to be as far away from Earth as possible.

In that case, they would have never given Janeway a desk job on earth either. She met a lot more Q than Picard ever did.

Or would she wisely have erased any log mention of them?

 

[Oddish]

"Captain's log, statdate 53535.1... today Q showed up in my quarters with a bottle of bubbly and a tacky heart-shaped bed and tried to bang me. I told him to go piss up a rope."

I can see why she would erase the logs...

 

[Guy Gardener]

But he can piss up a rope.

Q just has to change the gravitational constant of his bladder.

 

[Oddish]

"Captain's log, stardate 53535.8... Q tried again, this time bringing an adorable puppy with him. I told him to bugger off and leave the puppy. Mr. Neelix has agreed to serve as my holodeck dog walker, and I have assigned Ensign Kim the unenviable detail of canine waste management. Since I'm going to be crapping on him for the next seven years, it seems appropriate. "

I know, didn't happen that way. But it should have.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They make food from poop.

I suppose dog shit is basically the same atoms as people shit.

 

[Oddish]

They make food from poop.

You think we don't? It's called fertilizer. Replicators just cut a few steps out of the process.

 

[Ragitsu]

The real reason Janeway was let off the hook ->

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[Oddish]

Explains a lot, I think.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Her Admiral daddy's friends are approaching retirement, retired or dead.

Most of her classmates might have died in the Dominion War.

She might not know the board of inquiry as well as she thinks that she does.

 

[Oddish]

But Voyager's safe return still makes headlines across the Federation, so the admirals have to grin and bear it.

One theory is that Janeway was promoted so that she couldn't command any more ships... you could add that she was made ETH on the Protostar and other ships more for political purposes than merit.

I don't buy it, but Janeway haters might.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Beats me. Some people just don't like Kate Mulgrew, I guess.

I, on the other hand, am one of the three people who actually liked "Mrs. Columbo." Sort of.