When did Discovery JUMP the Shark?
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Oddly enough, yes! Also in TNG the ship didn’t have an anxiety attack at a crucial moment. I like DSC, but this is a big weakness. Also, “b-but TNG!” Is not a real response….Troi was kind of a bland character and a pretty bad therapist sometimes but at least it made sense for her to be doing therapy shit…after all, that’s her job. On DSC everyone is a therapist: the captain. The XO (well not this current one, but Saru). The CMO. The chief engineer. Whatever Tilly is. The goddamn head of the super secret spy group. It’s like you told an AI every annoying gen Z tik tok mental health trope and told it to make a Star Trek show.
As always, I struggle to see this as a bad thing. I'm biased to the extreme but this one drives me nuts that somehow people can't work through emotions or mental health in the workplace. I would hope, someday, the reticence of emotional expression will ease but it seems still like when I was younger.
In twenty words or less tell me what your problem is.Rayner as a therapist? THAT I'd love to see.
Captain Rayner. What a guy.
Completely agreed. And at least Troi as a counselor on board the Enterprise-D made sense because the ship had a LOT of civilians aboard, children being among them.
Not to scale, since I'd place S4 closer to S5 than I'd put S2 to S1, but I don't think DSC jumped the shark. I think it's doing a Reverse Pyramid, at least as far as how I prefer the seasons.
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There's different levels of critical. If you are forcing yourself to get through each and every episode, feel negative emotions afterwards, and end up letting it live rent free in your head a year later, it's probably not a good idea.So...thoss who are critical should stop watching a show?
Asking for a friend.
If you see it as a very mixed bag, but somewhat entertaining and meh, then maybe keep going. I ~know~ I'm highly unlikely to like SNW season 2 or DISCOVERY seasons 3/4. If I ever do view them, it'll be years later.
On the other hand, I can easily see myself watching DISCOVERY season 5 later this year, provided it doesn't have a poison pill akin to "the cause of the burn" buried within the season outline.
I tend to like season 3 as the best of the bunch, since it actually attempts to do something boldly different, finding out about the Emerald Chain and what's left of the Federation was interesting, and Osyraa makes for an intriguing villain since she's not two-dimensional. She actually does something that I thought was really smart, which was sue for peace.
I just think season 3 falls apart towards the end with the reveal of what caused the burn, and what was interesting in the story and character developments gives way to pew-pew action scenes and fist fights.
Season 1 is a mess. You can sense the multiple hands pulling it in different directions attempting course corrections. For example, I believe the pilot episode is made up of scenes which were never intended to exist together as the premiere story of the series. All of the backstory of the Battle of the Binary Stars was supposed to be used as flashback during the season to explain Burnham's situation, and add depth to the choices she would make in other episodes. Bryan Fuller's original re-interpretation of the Mirror Universe was not as just a place with evil-goateed versions of the characters, but as a sort of alt-universe where people had made horrible choices, and that would connect thematically to Burnham's bad choice during the the Battle of the Binary Stars.
Season 2 has some interesting moments, but watching it now feels more like a Strange New Worlds prequel than a season of Discovery. Also, it's another instance where it starts off with a possibly intriguing premise but then dissolves at the end, both with a battle scene that's one of the WORST in the history of the franchise and Discovery's insistence that every character they've ever met show up for the battle in the most nonsensical ways.
Season 4 devolves too much into an idiot plot. It just feels like the main tension of Booker's and Burnham's race to get to the DMA, and the protracted love story in peril by differing opinions on how to handle the situation which goes on for most of the season, is predicated too much on Book and Burnham acting like fools. And if they had one actual conversation where they talked things out the way you would expect people in a real relationship to do, the entire plot falls apart.
And I'm not sure season 5 will be the most popular. It'll depend a lot on where it all goes, but so far it's almost like the people behind it decided to use the fetch quest idea from Rise of Skywalker (which was not fondly regarded by Star Wars fans), where you have characters just running from one place to another to facilitate action while sidestepping whether there's actual good plot development, and covering it over by also filling it with "member-berries" (e.g., remember the Breen? remember the ISS Enterprise? remember "The Chase" from TNG?, etc.).
Sorry and this probably get me an infraction but it needs to be said.
Casting the guy who plays Grey as a womans boyfriend when sorry, he'd very clearly rather be spending time with Stamets or Culbar to the point it's distracting, RTD the writer of Doctor Who and a gay icon in the UK said only gay actors should play gay people for authenticity (Russell T Davies: Only gay actors should play gay characters (yahoo.com)) - I thought that was nonsense till I saw Grey in Discovery since that I honestly think he has a point, it takes you out of the moment when the actor just isn't believable as what they're supposed to be.
Casting the guy who plays Grey as a womans boyfriend when sorry, he'd very clearly rather be spending time with Stamets or Culbar to the point it's distracting, RTD the writer of Doctor Who and a gay icon in the UK said only gay actors should play gay people for authenticity (Russell T Davies: Only gay actors should play gay characters (yahoo.com)) - I thought that was nonsense till I saw Grey in Discovery since that I honestly think he has a point, it takes you out of the moment when the actor just isn't believable as what they're supposed to be.
No it really doesn't
I can buy him as a trans man. Which is what he is.
I haven't run into many of them, so I don't think I can compare him to other trans men in a meaningful way, but I doubt you have either.
EDITED TO ADD: One who I did run into in a store recently looked a little feminine but had beard hair which looked TOO perfectly placed, no cis-guy has facial hair that perfect, and he had no Adam's Apple.
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I'm looking at your avatar, and I have to ask: How's Alien in 4K?
I haven't watched it yet.
Boy, Star Trek always gets it wrong.Nothing wrong a mental health professional being on the ship. Even the 1701 had them, Also nothing wrong with friends talking to friends about their problems. Maybe not in the middle of a crisis, though.
Ok, but people can still discuss why they feel meh. Hell, reading some of the episode reviews by posters here makes me go, "wow, I don't think they really like it but they rate it a 7 or 8.
I've never heard the flashback one before. Was that something Harberts / Berg / Goldsman were considering after Bryan Fuller was pushed out?
The real question is how is Aliens in 4K? Rumor has it they just upconverted the Blu-ray master and then DNRed it to death. And the HDR doesn't even go beyond the range of SDR...
I mean, that's the approach I take to STLD. And hell, VGR. But with something like SNW, even taking down the notes and writing out all the problems I would have with a particular episode could take hours and hours. I have better things to do with my time. Criticizing it just times out.Ok, but people can still discuss why they feel meh. Hell, reading some of the episode reviews by posters here makes me go, "wow, I don't think they really like it but they rate it a 7 or 8.
Call me crazy but I actually prefer it (and it's sequels) on DVD rather than BluRay - it loses something when it's too sharp - the grittiness ads to it. Plus that's how the people who made it intended you to watch it.
