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What's up with Q's blue lips?
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I'll just add a comment in here as well, in saying that this problem of blue lips doesn't concern only De Lancie in Voyager, but actors playing in US soap operas, what always surprised me the very few times I fell over, waiting that my show, finally begins.
-> I thought that it was a problem between the makeup and the lighting used...
-> I thought that it was a problem between the makeup and the lighting used...
Everything about Q just started getting weird during the VOYAGER series. I liked Q in the early seasons of TNG, where there was some real menace about the character. He'd actually let good people die and not do anything about it, just to make a point to Picard, or whatever else like that. In VOYAGER, though, Q's a Freedom Fighter and a Family Man who desperately wants the Q to emulate The Very Best that Humanity has to offer. The character had become so strangely deconstructed and weird that the blue lips just seemed like more of the same.
But the blue lips aren't from Voyager...
And what about episodes like season 1's Hide and Q? The one where Q gives Riker the power of Q. Or how about season 3's Déjà Q, that humorous little number where Q loses his powers. Then there's Q-Pid, that HI-larious episode where Q helps Picard's romance life by taking the crew to sherwood forest. Then there's the sequel, Q-Less.
Besides Q-Who, the serious Q episodes came after all these. And they don't have Q-titles. There's Tapestry, All Good Things, and Death Wish.(True Q may or may not be an exception)
The "humourous" Q episodes were still in keeping with Q's character, especially in those you've already mentioned. But I really do hate the one where Riker receives The Power of Q and starts acting like a bell's end. It's the only TNG episode I truly dislike and avoid watching. One bad episode in 7 years -- not a bad record! Can the rest of the STAR TREK franchise - including Voyager - make such a boast?
That STAR TREK: The Next Generation only has 1 (one) bad episode. The rest of the entire series is really sweet, Prax ... just so damn sweet ...
Um...? I wasn't making a joke, it's a real thing.
You're right. I told you I'm slow.
Grow up from what, exactly ? Considering only the Voyager material, that may be true (learning to take responsibilities for his own actions, and later, of family life, and such).
Considering TNG as well, there are still certain elements he could 'grow up from' (at least as seen from a human perspective), but essentially, he is a superhuman entity with reasons not always fathomable to us. Some of his actions seem merely childish, but in other episodes he really teaches Picard a lesson that he nearly doesn't know as much as he think he does (think Q who, or Tapestry). That aspect of Q I liked as well and was sadly lost somewhat in Voyager.
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I like that aspect of Q also. Tapestry and All Good Things have always been some of my favorite episodes.
I don't think there's any disconnect. The story in True Q is very similar to the one in Death Wish, but I think Death wish is the far better episode. True Q is about a human who has to choose whether to be a Q and leave her life behind, or be a human, and choose to never use her powers(which would result in her execution). In Death Wish, you have a heavy moral argument about allowing someone who wishes to die, to do so. What better way than to have a Q, who can't tolerate immortality. We also get insight into the limits of the Q. They obviously aren't actually omnipotent. If they were, they would also be omniscient.
The story of Q2 very similar to Déjà Q. We again see a more vulnerable Q. Q gives Jr. Q the same test that the Continuum gave him in TNG. It was entertaining enough, I thought.
I know the Q and the Grey is maybe a more popular episode, but it isn't my favorite. I do like how it picks up from Death Wish.. how Q came to apotheosize Quinn and his decision. It's fitting as Q is so obsessed with humanity. And of course loved "Madame Q." I just thought having the Voyager crew in civil war uniforms was super hokey. I think I could have come up with a better ending.
But even this episode, I don't see how Q could be out of character with episodes out there like QPid, or its much derided sequel, Q-Less.
From the very beginning, Q was depicted as a "god-like" being who is an outcast and trouble maker that the "Continuum" mostly tolerates, who is obsessed with humanity, particularly Picard. In some episodes it is Q himself who is obsessed. In others, it's the Continuum(In Hide & Q, he is punished for failing to bring Riker into the Continuum). Picard and Riker(and others) always treat Q like crap(it's like they lose all sense of reason and civility when he comes around). When Q does come, he's either testing humanity, or seeking help, or chasing tail like Vash(yes, Q had a human girlfriend before he tried to woo Janeway, and at least with Janeway, Q had a purpose behind his scheme; where as with Vash, he was simply enamored and lustful).
And I am obsessed with commas(and parentheses).
I don't think there's any disconnect. The story in True Q is very similar to the one in Death Wish, but I think Death wish is the far better episode. True Q is about a human who has to choose whether to be a Q and leave her life behind, or be a human, and choose to never use her powers(which would result in her execution). In Death Wish, you have a heavy moral argument about allowing someone who wishes to die, to do so. What better way than to have a Q, who can't tolerate immortality. We also get insight into the limits of the Q. They obviously aren't actually omnipotent. If they were, they would also be omniscient.
They also had the absolutely brilliant scene of depicting the Q Continuum as a desert way station, where the Q just exist, eternally content with being eternally bored. They are no longer progressing. They've reached the top. There's no where else to go.
The story of Q2 very similar to Déjà Q. We again see a more vulnerable Q. Q gives Jr. Q the same test that the Continuum gave him in TNG. It was entertaining enough, I thought.
I know the Q and the Grey is maybe a more popular episode, but it isn't my favorite. I do like how it picks up from Death Wish.. how Q came to apotheosize Quinn and his decision. It's fitting as Q is so obsessed with humanity. And of course loved "Madame Q." I just thought having the Voyager crew in civil war uniforms was super hokey. I think I could have come up with a better ending.
But even this episode, I don't see how Q could be out of character with episodes out there like QPid, or its much derided sequel, Q-Less.
From the very beginning, Q was depicted as a "god-like" being who is an outcast and trouble maker that the "Continuum" mostly tolerates, who is obsessed with humanity, particularly Picard. In some episodes it is Q himself who is obsessed. In others, it's the Continuum(In Hide & Q, he is punished for failing to bring Riker into the Continuum). Picard and Riker(and others) always treat Q like crap(it's like they lose all sense of reason and civility when he comes around). When Q does come, he's either testing humanity, or seeking help, or chasing tail like Vash(yes, Q had a human girlfriend before he tried to woo Janeway, and at least with Janeway, Q had a purpose behind his scheme; where as with Vash, he was simply enamored and lustful).
And I am obsessed with commas(and parentheses).
No, you just know how to use commas (I like them too
).I can't compare 'True Q' with 'Death Wish' because if I've seen True Q I have since forgotten it. I do agree with you regards Quinn in that he couldn't tolerate his own existence as being a Q. For him the capacity to grow was gone whereas our Q was able to see a need for change in Quinn's sacrifice. Q used it to shake up his own kind resulting in the Civil War from the 'Q and the Grey' but he also wanted change in his own experiences as well. New life in every sense. Quinn was spent, Q was not.
Never thought about that before either, how Q was always treated with disdain, obviously he was a handful but one would think with all that potential a Q has they (those in the Federation) could have 'played' him better.
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