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What's the worst canon decision in the history of Trek?

One thing we should consider about the echo of Guinan in the Nexus is that she was, by her own admission, ripped away from there by the Enterprise-B's transporter. It's very possible that is the only reason her echo is still there.

that’s what I always just assumed.

An interesting thread would have been to see Sorens echo. A chance to see the version that “wouldn’t hurt a fly”.
 
Maybe the Nexus caused a transporter error, and split Guinan into two separate beings; one in the Nexus and one on the Enterprise-B transporter pad. :p
 
Frank Wilczek talked about “space-time” crystals. The vacuum itself near a magnetar is polarized like a calcite crystal— the magnetar tesla field...the field mind you...has an energy density 10,000 times that of lead. Stranglets could do something to people like we saw done to the duplicates of Course Oblivion. A Tipler Cylinder or two cosmic strings might allow time travel.

Who knows what is silly today may become real tomorrow.
 
Frank Wilczek talked about “space-time” crystals. The vacuum itself near a magnetar is polarized like a calcite crystal— the magnetar tesla field...the field mind you...has an energy density 10,000 times that of lead. Stranglets could do something to people like we saw done to the duplicates of Course Oblivion. A Tipler Cylinder or two cosmic strings might allow time travel.

Who knows what is silly today may become real tomorrow.

If strangelets existed that would mean the end of everything. Any matter in contact with strangelets turns into strangelets. It's like Borg assimilation except at the particle level.
 
It's already been established that transporters can render a person effectively immortal. They reduced Pulaski from age 100 to 50 or so at one point, and reduced Picard from 50's to around 12. But no one ever does these things, because of our cultural belief (rooted in Judeo Christian faith) that Earthly Immortality is Bad.
 
It's already been established that transporters can render a person effectively immortal. They reduced Pulaski from age 100 to 50 or so at one point, and reduced Picard from 50's to around 12. But no one ever does these things, because of our cultural belief (rooted in Judeo Christian faith) that Earthly Immortality is Bad.

Yeah, Picard as a teen was so embarrassed because he didn't know what to do. (should I stay or should I go? *)Fortunately being much older and closer to death has solved his problem!!!:rolleyes:

*If you say that you are mine
I'll be here 'till the end of time...
 
Picard was advised to cede command because the event was so unusual, and there was no way to know how reduction in physical age had affected him. If it became normal, either people would be used to their CO looking 12 but actually being 300, or (if people really were affected by a return to adolescence) everyone would take 5-year sabbaticals instead of retiring.
 
If strangelets existed that would mean the end of everything. Any matter in contact with strangelets turns into strangelets. It's like Borg assimilation except at the particle level.
Real grey goo. Nanites never worried me. Radio Durand is tough—but it can’t do much. The more complicated a small thing is like a zygote-the more fragile to brownisn motion and such if exposed. SMU reported a LINEAR earthquake in 1993 IIRC. Who knows what that was. Went right through the planet. Look it up
 
That would be the ultimate WMD, wouldn't it? Deliver a handful of solar powered self replicating nanites, and eventually, the whole planetary crust is sterilized. It's just a matter of time and mathematics.
 
I just pretend some of the more fantastical/embarrassing TOS episodes never happened like Spock's Brain and Catspaw.
 
Honestly, the only decision in all of Star Trek that actually bothered me was when the showrunners killed off Trip. It never made sense, and to this day I still think "what?!" every time I see it.
 
Honestly, the only decision in all of Star Trek that actually bothered me was when the showrunners killed off Trip. It never made sense, and to this day I still think "what?!" every time I see it.

Well, we saw him die as a hologram at a time when every character had already been dead for centuries, so that doesn't matter much, IMO.
 
Honestly, the only decision in all of Star Trek that actually bothered me was when the showrunners killed off Trip. It never made sense, and to this day I still think "what?!" every time I see it.

Just go with the novels: it was a cover up by section 31. Jake and Nog work it out in the early 25th century and the history books (holonovels?) are set right.
 
So that means future enterers of the Nexus will encounter Kirk and/or Picard...

No. When Picard arrives, Guinan explains that she [and almost everyone else in the Nexus?] are an Echo of themselves. Only one other had arrived in the same state as Picard: ie. Kirk. That is why only Picard and Kirk can leave the Nexus. The Guinan echo is unable to leave. Soren went mad trying to return to the Nexus because he had tasted the Nexus realm and needed to return. Presumably he had left intact the first time.

(Edited for clarity. My impressions from the novelization.)
 
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No. When Picard arrives, Guinan explains that she and almost everyone else in the Nexus are an Echo of themselves. Only one other had arrived in the same state as Picard: ie. Kirk. That is why only Picard and Kirk can leave the Nexus. The Guinan echo is unable to leave. Soren went mad trying to return to the Nexus because he had tasted the Nexus realm and needed to return. Presumably he had left intact the first time.

When did she say every one else? She just says her.

Yeah, I don't remember any of that either.

I don't recall Guinan referring to anyone but herself?

:shrug:
 
Worst canon decision? Having a canon.
Amen to that. I think it's one of the worst words in the dictionary.
Wouldn't have a show with a universe people are fascinated by without canon. When you don't set a show in the modern day you basically got to create a whole new world with its rules and restrictions that help define the lives they live.The more you know about Vulcan the more it helps explain characters like Spock, Tuvok and T'pol. Otherwise they are just weird aliens that you can't find. things to relate to in them. Jason

Indeed, every franchise with more than one installment necessarily has a canon, whether or not the makers (and indeed consumers) recognise it. The only exceptions that come to mind would be things like the Carry On films in which, ironically, nothing diegetic carries on from one to the next and each new film technically has an entirely different setting and characters.

I always through the holographic technology was more the nature of the graphics and usability than the technology itself. The Enterprise in TAS had a holographic room of some sort, DIS has a similar weapons training room. For all we know, the holodeck first shown in Encounter at Farpoint was, to Riker's eyes at least, something so high definition and a UX first that it did blow him away.

I have probably posted this before, but holodecks in the 24th century could be like 3DTVs in the 20th and 21st - every few decades they arrive on the scene heralded as the fascinating new technology of the future... then a few years later they just kind of fade away. I think our last iteration of this trend was about ten years ago.

I think it's in "All Our Yesterdays" that Spock says that his planet was.... millions of light-years away. I thought that was amusing.

Regarding speeds, don't forget that the Federation is supposed to be 8000 ly across. Assuming Earth is more or less at the center, and assuming the cruising speed of warp 8 (1000c) set by Voyager (70,000 ly = 70 years travel), then if a human officer returns to earth from the edge of Federation space, it's a four-year journey, or an eight-year round trip.

And while we're on the subject, warp 9.975 is 5000c. Even assuming a cruise speed of 70% of her top sustainable speed, Voyager should have only required 20 years to make her journey, maybe 22 or 23 allowing for refueling, first contacts, and course changes to avoid Vidiians or Borg.

Well in "Resolutions" Janway and Chak spend more than a month on a planet, at what point Voyager makes a U-turn and picks them up. So that means zero light-years in TWO months. At that speed it's a wonder they managed to get back at all.

I did this calculation a few months ago and determined that the journey actually should have taken well over a century. I suppose that the lesson here - not just for Star Trek but for all sci-fi and fantasy - is to plot the map before you write the script.

If they're only having one child apiece, their population will halve every four-year generation. As their population shrinks, they can allocate power, shut down nonessential areas and systems, and discard broken equipment instead of repairing or replacing it. With any luck, the Ocampa will be adequately provided for until their inevitable extinction.

This is vaguely reminiscent of Tolkien's dwarves who are vaguely mentioned as eventually going extinct - and obviously must have done as they are not around now - but whose reason for such a fate is not really explained, the best guess being that there was a major gender imbalance (not that you can tell, of course) and a very small proportion of dwarves were inclined to reproduce. Of course, that is with an explicitly created world with deliberate divine influence, so wouldn't work in Star Trek as much.

I feel the same way about the Mirror Universe. Is it a fundamentally silly concept? Yes, but the characters and drama make it worth it. Star Trek is not strict science, nor has it tried to be as the franchise ages. I'm not saying people should blindly accept it, but I find the line of silliness to be thin for what is acceptable in this franchise.

As pointed out in all the Bad Science threads I set up over the last few years there are some staples (FTL speed, lots of inhabited worlds, teleportation, artificial gravity) that are a necessity for the series to function at all, but that does not necessitate the total abandonment of any pretence to sanity.

Ever hear of Multi-Quote?

Why, yes. I'm now wishing I hadn't.

Mileage will vary for sure. I weigh Trek equally in terms of decisions. The past doesn't get a pass because its past. The present doesn't get harsher treatment because I was alive for when it was made.

Hmmm...so is it brain surgery or rocket science?

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Here's a thought... 39 years after Generations, the Nexus returns again. This time, it gobbles up a small shuttle with Admiral Janeway onboard. Using its time-bending abilities, she manages to pop in right after Soren's defeat. As Death walks up to Kirk to claim him, Janeway hits him with the Janeway Death Glare and tells him to "go back to hell, coward". Death immediately runs off, causing Kirk to survive his injuries. Kirk returns to the Federation to a much deserved hero's welcome.

Yes, it's a lame ending... but it's better than the one we got. :nyah:

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