What's the worst canon decision in the history of Trek?

[Therin of Andor]

When did she say every one else? She just says her.

What Starfleet people?

The Starfleet crew piloting the two rescue ships, SS Lakul and SS Robert Fox (named for the ambassador in TOS; ship name not mentioned in dialogue, but appeared on the computer readout screen on the science officer's console aboard the Enterprise-B).

I just noticed that Memory Alpha takes the stand that they were El Aurian vessels, but my memory is that they were supposed to be Starfleet rescue ships transporting the refugees to Earth (from whatever rescue pods/ships the El-Aurians had escaped in. (I think the novelization took this angle?)

If not, forget I spoke.

Ah, "the okudagram identifies the ships as being of El-Aurian registry." [Memory Alpha]

If the El-Aurians came from so far away as to have met the Borg, how did they name a ship after a Federation ambassador? Although the months/years passing between becoming refugees and arriving on Earth is never specified.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Has anyone mentioned "There's no money in the future"?

How about "Starfleet isn't a military"?

 

[FederationHistorian]

Making her related to an ENT reference is just as small universe as TOS.

At least it would have acted like a) there are other notable Vulcans in the TOS era besides Sarek, even if they are descended from ENT characters, b) created a link to the ENT era, which DIS has never had any trouble doing itself, and c) would have given DIS the opportunity to have its version of the McCoy sendoff.

 

[at Quark's]

Has anyone mentioned "There's no money in the future"?

How about "Starfleet isn't a military"?

One of these days, we should have a discussion about the Federation's non-military non-budget allocation policies.

 

[fireproof78]

At least it would have acted like a) there are other notable Vulcans in the TOS era besides Sarek, even if they are descended from ENT characters, b) created a link to the ENT era, which DIS has never had any trouble doing itself, and c) would have given DIS the opportunity to have its version of the McCoy sendoff.

Again, the send off would have been both nice and eye roll inducing all at the same time. Yes, her connection to Sarek and Spock was a bridge too far but T'Pol doesn't feel any better.

 

[Swedish Borg]

In Enterprise they use the UT to speak to the Klingons... In Discovery the Klingons have never heard of a UT. They think that Burnham is speaking Klingon when she's using the UT.

 

[The Wormhole]

I just noticed that Memory Alpha takes the stand that they were El Aurian vessels, but my memory is that they were supposed to be Starfleet rescue ships transporting the refugees to Earth (from whatever rescue pods/ships the El-Aurians had escaped in. (I think the novelization took this angle?)

Even if the ships were Federation, they definitely weren't Starfleet. If they were Starfleet, their names would have the USS prefix in them instead of SS.

In Discovery the Klingons have never heard of a UT. They think that Burnham is speaking Klingon when she's using the UT.

Huh? That's not the impression I got at all.

 

[Swedish Borg]

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Huh? That's not the impression I got at all.

That's not an impression. It's a fact. On the Sarcophagus they think that Burnham speaks Klingon and she has to explain to them that it's in fact a device that makes it appear so. It's obvious that it's the first time they've heard of such a device. Watch the episode " Into the Forest, I Go".

 

[Phoenix219]

Such is the mysterious nature of the concept of literal infinity.

If you buy that concept, then by definition, the MU as depicted in Trek must exist.

Infinite doesn't mean that everything is included in infinite, just that the total number keeps going and doesn't end. Doesn't mean some "possibilities" aren't skipped along the way.... IMO....

 

[thribs]

Putting Kurtzman in charge

 

[Swedish Borg]

Of all the bad decisions, the borg queen has to be the worst. It robbed the Borg of their most interesting quality, collective intelligence.

As a collective, intelligence the Borg are far more menacing than any alien group built on a hierarchical structure, even less on a monarchical one. But that the thing with the franchise given enough time they can't help ruining good concepts.

 

[C.E. Evans]

The decision in the latest Trek productions to no longer be that visually consistent with TOS. I don't mean to bring back 60s-style special effects, but episodes like ENT's "In A Mirror Darkly" and even DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" showed how you could revisit the TOS era, have modern VFXs, and not move the start line. Sure, TOS is visually cheesy by today's standards, but I think that is part of its fun & charm and recent Trek productions have lost that, IMO. It may be unpopular for me to say, but Lower Decks may be the only Trek series right now that isn't "embarrassed" about Trek's past and embraces it fully, warts and all...

 

[Swedish Borg]

The decision in the latest Trek productions to no longer be that visually consistent with TOS. I don't mean to bring back 60s-style special effects, but episodes like ENT's "In A Mirror Darkly" and even DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" showed how you could revisit the TOS era, have modern VFXs, and not move the start line. Sure, TOS is visually cheesy by today's standards, but I think that is part of its fun & charm and recent Trek productions have lost that, IMO. It may be unpopular for me to say, but Lower Decks may be the only Trek series right now that isn't "embarrassed" about Trek's past and embraces it fully, warts and all...

But Lower Decks is a cartoon. With a live show, it's a different kettle of fish.

 

[KennyB]

I'm just going to pretend I didn't even click on this topic after reading some replies...........backing out.......

 

[The Wormhole]

Of all the bad decisions, the borg queen has to be the worst. It robbed the Borg of their most interesting quality, collective intelligence.

As a collective, intelligence the Borg are far more menacing than any alien group built on a hierarchical structure, even less on a monarchical one. But that the thing with the franchise given enough time they can't help ruining good concepts.

The Queen is more in line with the original concept of the Borg basically being space ants. It was only because there was no way to do space ants on TNG's budget the idea was abandoned.

The decision in the latest Trek productions to no longer be that visually consistent with TOS. I don't mean to bring back 60s-style special effects, but episodes like ENT's "In A Mirror Darkly" and even DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" showed how you could revisit the TOS era, have modern VFXs, and not move the start line. Sure, TOS is visually cheesy by today's standards, but I think that is part of its fun & charm and recent Trek productions have lost that, IMO. It may be unpopular for me to say, but Lower Decks may be the only Trek series right now that isn't "embarrassed" about Trek's past and embraces it fully, warts and all...

There really was no way a show made in 2017 was going to replicate the 1960s look exactly. That being said, I do agree that Disco's first season went too far with how radically redesigned everything was. I suspect if they had done something more like how the Enterprise looked in season 2 that would have been more suitable to many fans. Updated, but still faithful to TOS.

 

[Swedish Borg]

The Queen is more in line with the original concept of the Borg basically being space ants. It was only because there was no way to do space ants on TNG's budget the idea was abandoned...

In an ant colony, the only function of the queen is to lay eggs, it has no ruling power. No, what they did is replace the smart concept of collective intelligence, explored previously by great writers like Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, AE Van Vogt, and replaced it with the stupid concept of an absolute ruler at the top. Which is neither new nor original. IOW they ruined a great concept, while what they should have done is explore it further.

 

[Bornin1980something]

You know, maybe the worst canon decision ever was ST:First Contact itself.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Has anyone mentioned "There's no money in the future"?

How about "Starfleet isn't a military"?

Wait until you hear how much Starfleet has invested in Spock! The answer will surprise you!

 

[Oddish]

There would have to be money at some level, because there would have to be work. If your replicator breaks, someone has to come and fix it. If you plan on beaming to Sydney, you want someone to have maintained that transporter. And if someone intends to harm you and your family, you need law enforcement to come. All of these things require some human or other to WORK, and to motivate people to work, you must compensate them.

Even in collectivist societies, like the old Soviet Union, money existed. I expect that the Federation has it in some form as well.

 

[CorporalClegg]

The worst Canon decision in Star Trek may have been when Riker opted to take a Nikon holo-projector on his Risa trip.