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What would you like to see in the 2010 SOTL Calendar?

Hmmm, would you consider a "new angle" exception? Here is a calendar idea I was playing with a while back, thinking it might be fun to shake things up a bit by switching to a vertical format. This is the scene from 'Relics', showing the Enterprise entering the Dyson Sphere..... from ground level.

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I've always thought this was another one of those missed moments.

Now that is cool!
 
Oh if someone hasn't mentioned it yet. I'd love to see the original Ambassador Class Starship design on the next calander.
 
But I am being honest, when I say that I don't want to see "fan" designs in a calendar that is supposed to represent "canon" ships.
Since many of us contributors are trying to understand what you all want to see, generally,... what makes my Fed fighter any different from a "fan design"? Does placing it in a 'canon' (type) environment help ease the sometimes jarring effect of seeing something totally fresh, like Clawhammer's entry? A lot of you have asked to see something new but is something new automatically non-canon?

I think "jarring effect of seeing something totally fresh" is an unfair characterization of what drives some of the resistance to "new" or "non-canon" designs. I think it stems more from the here-today-gone-tomorrow history of such designs, whether they've appeared in licensed products (the '70s Star Trek Technical Manual, the 1980 Spaceflight Chronology, various ships described in novels, etc.) or been purely fan-creations. We may see them once, but then never again. They're mayflies, with no history in the setting, and thus far no future.

This has been going on for nearly 40 years now, so (evidently) a lot of people have become hesitant to embracing neat new designs that haven't appeared "in canon"(i.e. on screen in a movie or series). In general, new and unusual views of established ships are preferred, since they won't drop out of existence the way all the other "new" designs have done.

That said, for me the highlights of the new calendar are the pictures by you, Clawhammer, and Koji Kumamura, which all feature "new" ships, so it's not absolute. It does add to it, though, when it's mixed with more familiar elements. Context almost always helps.

What I have in mind for my next year's entry involves a canon item in a never-been-seen setting which I am "designing", post production. Technically that would make it non-canon. Would that be acceptable if it were created by someone who did not work on the show? Would it only be acceptable because I did work on the show?

I do think you're a special case not simply because you worked on the show but because your work has had such a profound influence in establishing the entire "Starfleet look" from ST:The Motion Picture on. When it comes to the varying customer's notions of what looks "right" in something new in Star Trek, the odds are highly in your favor of getting a "hit" rather than a "miss".

Someone else stated the view that they didn't want to see "the Excelsior chasing the Enterprise from Spacedock, just from a different angle" (if not an exact quote, that's the gist of it). I'd agree with that only to the extent that the most dramatic view of that sequence was already captured in the film. There are plenty of other scenes where looking at it from a different perspective does add something new to the experience (of which your proposed Dyson-sphere ground-level view of the Enterprise entering/rising is an excellent example). It's all about picking the shot.
 
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I have to admit. Seeing E-D rise out of the ground as several tens of thousands of miles per hour would probably make me poop myself. Poop myself to death.
I now have an image of the Hypnotoad engaged in such an act stuck firmly in my head. :wtf:

Thanks a bunch for that, Squigglyfm. :brickwall:
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I, for one would like to see seldom seen ships like the Norway class (the underside - no one knows what it looks like) and maybe some big beauty renders of flagships without a lot of fluff (lens flares, shuttlecraft in the background, someone on the hull...)

Oh, ans a depiction of what the Dyson sphere would have looked like in its heyday.
 
^Your avatar also reminds me... Nova-class. Lots and lots of Nova-class. Both original and refit. I loves me that ship. :D

It might also be nice to see some images take a BSG-style approach to the lighting. with a pale, soft-shadow GI fill light, a bright back-lit key light and tons and tons of Malibu-lighting to self-illuminate the ship; sort of what TMP was trying to achieve, but done with modern techniques.

The Nova varient is my favorite mesh so I would love to see it. I love it so much I had a mesh built for me.
 
This is the scene from 'Relics', showing the Enterprise entering the Dyson Sphere..... from ground level.

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I've always thought this was another one of those missed moments.

Considering that the Dyson Sphere -- an amazing concept with enormous special -- amounted to little more than the Technobabble Threat of the Week in "Relics," I'd argue that the entire Dyson Sphere was a "missed moment." Sad.

Your sketch still rocks, by the way.
 
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What drives some of the resistance to "new" or "non-canon" designs, I think, stems more from the here-today-gone-tomorrow history of such designs. They're mayflies, with no history in the setting, and thus far no future.

New and unusual views of established ships are preferred, since they won't drop out of existence the way all the other "new" designs have done.

That said, for me the highlights of the new calendar are the pictures which feature "new" ships, so it's not absolute. It does add to it, though, when it's mixed with more familiar elements. Context almost always helps.
Your rather impressive response (click the view-post arrow) pretty well sums up a general consensus for the desire to see already established ships, for the most part, including everything from background ships in space battles to ships & settings described in novels,... encompassing ALL of the franchise including TAS.

And within that context, something new, occasionally, won't be unappreciated.

So,... if I got that pretty much right, then I'm good to go;... forever :techman:

Thanks, Andrew-
 
^Dark and blurry?

Haven't we all been saying that's one of the things we don't like?

But in this case the darkness is an aesthetic choice rather than an attempt to hide the low quality of the model (this particular model is of the VERY high-quality sort).
The image is only 'blurry' because it is a still-frame from an animation (yes, in that resolution)... motion-blur is what it is called.

No shit? :shifty:
 
@Mr. Probert:
I really love that Dyson Sphere idea!

Personally I´ve always wondered how the successor to the Galaxy class would´ve looked had it been designed by you (maybe in cooperation with Rick Sternbach) rather than John Eaves.
 
@Mr. Probert:
I really love that Dyson Sphere idea!
Thanks. Every now & then I think the rush of production (being kind) causes people to overlook those kinds of cinematic possibilities. I was very surprised, for instance, when (in the pilot episode: 'Farpoint') Picard didn't simply look up through the bridge dome port for a real eye's view of the two creatures as they drifted away together. I thought it would have been fun to have someone actually use a window. Then again, they never used the two bridge food replicators, while Picard's bathroom was only good for ordering tea: hot.
Personally I've always wondered how the successor to the Galaxy class would've looked had it been designed by you (maybe in cooperation with Rick Sternbach) rather than John Eaves.
It probably would have looked similar, since the Producer in charge at the time was "dictating" the look of everything. Eaves is a superior designer who was never allowed to get his real stuff on screen, that I know of. Still, it's funny that you mention it because this thread has actually gotten me sketching what I think the "F" might look like.

Andrew-
 
Still, it's funny that you mention it because this thread has actually gotten me sketching what I think the "F" might look like.

Andrew-

Oooh. :drool:

Eaves is a superior designer who was never allowed to get his real stuff on screen, that I know of.

Funny you should say that--we have (had?) a poster here who basically worshiped you and your work while barely being able to discuss Eaves as if he were a human being. I'd be very curious to see what he would make of your opinion on the man. :lol:
 
For myself, I've never had a problem with Eaves' work. Your comment, however, confirms a standing suspicion of mine. Thanks much!
 
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I always wondered how they'd land a Galaxy Class... FWOAR!!! :guffaw:


Looks great. See your still doing an amazing job w/ the good old girl Probert. I sure would like to see angles like those in the future calendars. Would be an different approach and interesting view period.
 
Mr. Probert- Your drafting and painting style is pretty distinctive, and I find I can often recognize your work without seeing the signature. I wouldn't mind seeing your take on TREK ships from series you weren't involved in. I would bet that several ships that have met with the ire of the fans (Enterprise NX-01, Enterprise-E) as well as ships from DS9 and Voyager might look significantly better (certainly different) if penned from your hand.
Anything you wish to publish about the Enterprise-D is ALWAYS appreciated. I've defended her design for 20 years, and I will 'till I die :)
I gather from many of the posters here that what many would like to see is an ANDREW PROBERT calendar. Or even better, a Probert/Sternbach calendar.
I am possibly the guilty party mentioned above who regularly criticizes Mr. Eaves' Enterprise-E. (usually when it is compared favorably over your Enterprise-D) Your implication that Mr. Eaves' was tightly restrained by producers (possibly more than I thought) and that his unseen work is actually quite good is something of a revelation. Perhaps you could convince him to post here as well. I would be interested in seeing some of this unpublished work. I always thought his detailing was quite well done and interesting, I just thought that his overall design for the E (and his Main Bridge) paled in comparison to your rather sculptural D.
Enterprise-F. Yes!Yes!Yes! And don't forget development sketches. I'm fascinated at how you work out your designs.
And, as always, THANK YOU for all the work!
 
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I gather from many of the posters here that what many would like to see is an ANDREW PROBERT calendar. Or even better, a Probert/Sternbach calendar.
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Throw in some 2D contributions by Mike Okuda and I´m sold. ;)
There´s something to those three artists that just feels "right".
 
Your implication that Mr. Eaves' was tightly restrained by producers (possibly more than I thought) and that his unseen work is actually quite good is something of a revelation. Perhaps you could convince him to post here as well. I would be interested in seeing some of this unpublished work.

I would LOVE to see his concepts for the NX-01 before he was supposedly ordered to "just modify the Akira, nobody'll notice." :)
 
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