Oh and in the universe with a working holodeck, I'd love to join you in my own holodeck with whatever the future version of Playstation Network/Xbox Live is.
However, I'll be in the Mercedes
What would you do if you had a holodeck in your home?
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Oh and in the universe with a working holodeck, I'd love to join you in my own holodeck with whatever the future version of Playstation Network/Xbox Live is.
However, I'll be in the Mercedes
Let's reformulate the question: what would you do with holodeck in your home BESIDES testing every one of your sexual fantasies?
Good point.
No ethical issues with the holodeck guys. Sentient holograms like Vic or Moriarty were only sentient because they were specifically made to be sentient. Normal holograms are just an outgrowth of the ship's computer. No different than playing a video game, only with more advanced AI. The "hologram rights" stuff on Voyager was silly.
I've thought about this before, and thought that one of the things I'd want to do was put myself into Star Trek. Since holodecks only exist on Star Trek so Star Trek would have to be real for them to be real, that creates a huge fictional paradox........
Anyway, other stuff I would do-
Sex
Travel. You could explore all the world's major cities on the holodeck, from different time periods even.
Sports
I could do various narrative games pretending I was a spy, or the President, Secretary of State, or a Senator or something. I might be into a gender swapped version of Janeway's period romance thing, where I'm the brooding romantic hero and a pretty, corset wearing English lady wants to discover all my dark secrets.
Make an idyllic life for myself with a "perfect" wife and a job I like. Like a combination of Barclay's stuff (only without real people because I'd feel really weird about that) and the Doctor's family program.
I've thought about this before, and thought that one of the things I'd want to do was put myself into Star Trek. Since holodecks only exist on Star Trek so Star Trek would have to be real for them to be real, that creates a huge fictional paradox........
Anyway, other stuff I would do-
Sex
Travel. You could explore all the world's major cities on the holodeck, from different time periods even.
Sports
I could do various narrative games pretending I was a spy, or the President, Secretary of State, or a Senator or something. I might be into a gender swapped version of Janeway's period romance thing, where I'm the brooding romantic hero and a pretty, corset wearing English lady wants to discover all my dark secrets.
Make an idyllic life for myself with a "perfect" wife and a job I like. Like a combination of Barclay's stuff (only without real people because I'd feel really weird about that) and the Doctor's family program.
Yeah, but it's ridiculously easy to make holograms sentient. All it took was Geordi telling the Enterprise computer to make a villain capable of outsmarting Data, and boom, Moriarty is sentient.
How do we know there's not some psychopath somewhere using his holodeck to create sentient holograms on-demand only to abuse and torture them? In fact, that does seem to be what the Hirogen were doing with their holographic prey.
Which it isn't.
Which you aren't.
So you don't think people have the right to know if they are being simulated in somebody else's holoprogram?
Eh. Do they have the right to know if they're being simulated in somebody else's *mind*, for the same purposes? Because that happens all the time, and nobody knows but the one who possesses that mind.
^ True dat. But fantasies located solely within the mind can't be monitored; holodeck usage can.
Besides, it's just common courtesy. If you're just thinking about what you'd like to do to somebody, that's one thing. But if you go to the trouble of simulating it, and re-enacting it over and over, then don't you at least owe the person enough respect to tell them about it?
Because that could affect how you deal with that person IRL.
Besides, it's just common courtesy. If you're just thinking about what you'd like to do to somebody, that's one thing. But if you go to the trouble of simulating it, and re-enacting it over and over, then don't you at least owe the person enough respect to tell them about it?
Because that could affect how you deal with that person IRL.
Thing is, we know there are no rules or laws against creating a hologram of someone for sexual purposes. This is canon fact. You don't have to agree with it, you can think it's wrong or perverted or whatever, but the point still stands it is something that is allowed in the Federation, on Starfleet ships, even in independent Bajoran space.
Er, the used one of the most powerfull shipborne computers of their time, and gave it the task of creating AI capable of outsmarting the other significantly developed AI. This is NOT the "ridiculously easy" scenario. And the result was basically the example of "sentience singularity" - the AI developed true sentience.
Probably because it isn't that simple. You couldn't just order the computer to "create a sentient holograms": is't outside its capabilities. All you could is create more and more complex holograms, in hope that MAYBE some of them MAY reach the level of complexity, necessary for sentience.
Well, good luck with that)
Problem there is there is no evidence that Vic was specifically made to be sentient. He was created as just a average holodeck character.
But that isn't using technology to deliberately create a interactive physical and psychological reproduction of the person.
Leah Brams was a intellectual and psychological reproduction.
Why do holograms talk to each other when there are no "real" people around to hear them?
Is sapience the norm for holodeck creations. Consider the police detective in The Big Goodbye, McNary asked Picard "When you've gone, will this world still exist, will my wife and kids still be waiting for me at home?"
Now if it's just Picard talking to the computer, why would the computer say that to Picard?
In a earlier scene, Picard leaves the holodeck, the doors close behind him and the "arch" disappears. Then after Picard is gone the character of Lech enters the room Picard left and calls to him (this was before the Jaradan probe). Why would the computer say that to a empty room?
Troi mentions in The Big Goodbye that the holodeck had received upgrades. One of the consequences of improvement to the holodeck (perhaps unrealized) could be that the holodeck was now creating sapient beings. And I'm not just talking about the holodeck on the Enterprise.
What I'm suggesting Mr. Laser Beam is that their technology has advanced to possessing this ability, maybe without them fully understanding that they can do this.
Yes you could create just a image, but once you tell the computer that you want a fully interactive hologram they become a person.
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The entire point of Vic's character was that he was designed to be self-aware and to be completely unlike an average holocharacter.
Granted self-aware isn't necessarily sentient, but it usually is the most important pre-requisite to sentience, especially on shows like Star Trek.
Well I'm not sure about all this but I'm sure glad I'm not the person who has to clean the holo decks after use.
What do you do to keep your body from decaying fast? You need exercise.
Actually it is, your cat is sentient (to a degree) because it's self-aware. Being self-aware doesn't mean you're sapient.
Cats are not self-aware, at least not the way we and some animals are. Cats can't recognize themselves in mirrors. Only humans, chimpanzees, Orangutans, Gorillas and dolphins can. A cat can see itself in a mirror ten times a day, it'll never understand that it is its own reflection.
Well, some cats recognize their reflections, but most don't. It's something you learn if you've interacted with a large number of cats, as I have. Just like some cats are stupid as fuck, others are little evil kitty geniuses and can not only open doors, but recognize times of day, different days, sounds you make (be it the sound your car makes vs. anybody else's or a vacuum running), even what you look like versus other people. They're even self-aware they have free will (to a degree) -- they'll litterally not only dump you as an owner, but if the replacement is the person across the street, they'll never visit you again even though you're right there.
No, they used standard holodeck controls. There was no mention made in the episode to any special circumstances surrounding Moriarty achieving sentience, other than Geordi saying "make a challenge for Data"
But like I said, the Hirogen were creating sentient holograms, and they had second-rate holodeck technology. I'm pretty sure all they said was "make prey worthy of the hunt" which led to sentient holographic rebels being created. And they even figured out on their own how to make themselves portable.
I dunno. I guess it depends on whether the holodeck user *also* has some sort of mental issues or hasn't been reared right. I've worked with attractive women whose physicality inspired "private fantasy", to say it euphemistically - and that never affected the way I treated them personally or professionally. And I've been acquainted with exotic dancers outside of their workplace, and that certainly never would have influenced the way I treated them, either. I can't say that I believe that I would treat porn actors or actresses whose work I have enjoyed with anything other than normal human respect if I met them in person, either.
If the holodeck user is a mature person capable of separating their fantasies from real life, then the only thing I can see resulting from some sort of requirement that the real people depicted in their fantasies be told about them is that said people might act odd about it.
Personally, I'd prefer that the holodecks have private monitoring system that simulates an unseen highly trained medical psychologist that offers advice to the user about their usage habits (both preventative and helpful), and only ever contacts outside assistance if it believes that the user may actually pose a threat to someone.
i.e., Let's make Troi even more useless.
Frankly, as all TNG and VOY clearly stated, only the Federation phobia of AI's make ship's crews NOT COMPLETELY useless.
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