What would you change about this series?

[Prax]

Berman Trek had plenty of grimdark. Maybe not so much in TNG, but absolutely in DS9 and Voyager.

Maybe the difference is that the previous shows had a format that could more easily balance out the differing themes. There's light hearted, humorous, serious, political, adventurous, horror, weird, grimdark, action, spiritual, contemplative, thriller, suspense, and I'm running out of genres.

They could also balance multiple themes in individual stories. Discovery can do much of these as well, just in a more limited fashion. For instance, the previous shows very often made a star trek play on an old story, or film, like "Regeneration," and "The Thing."

Discovery has already done "Alien" in episode 3. It's the lighter side of storytelling that will be more difficult to incorporate into a 13 chapter story that may(or maybe not, we'll see) be "grimdark" at it's core.

And ya know, the more episodes that air, the more I see that Discovery isn't that much more serialized than previous shows. The strung together elements are so far more in the background, with each week telling a more specific "A-plot" that begins and ends in each episode.

 

[fireproof78]

See, even by modern sensibilities, it's still dark.

For the first five episodes EVERYBODY was angry at each other. Not in a unified way that military comrades would be, you know, angry towards the enemy. Everybody was just pissed off at each other. Well, except Tilly, cuz she's just a little ray of sunshine. It's incongruous with how I understand war to be from people I know that have served in the military.

I watch the show waiting for everybody to kill everybody else. If the ships didn't say USS on them I'd swear that we've been watching the mirror universe.

No, not at all. By modern sensibilities its about average, and a bit more teamwork oriented, if tense, than say, Marvel's Netflix original series.

 

[GilmourD]

No, not at all. By modern sensibilities its about average, and a bit more teamwork oriented, if tense, than say, Marvel's Netflix original series.

Ironically enough, I actually really liked tonight's episode. It balanced the light and the dark well. And I'm so glad that Stamets got the stick out of his ass. He's a much more enjoyable character the past couple episodes.

 

[C57D]

Good news is that you can stop watching immediately and have no need to register further complaints as a result of you wisely disconnecting from something you obviously find objectionable.

OP title was about what you would change in STD. Is " everything" not a valid response???
I thought that the point of a forum was discussion and disagreement?
I don't so much find it objectionable as deeply frustrating and disappointing that what was originally touted as a Cage era Prime universe series is most certainly not (not in any meaningful way). And even worse, it runs contrary to the central ethos and themes of 90% of ST throughout its last 50 years.
If it had the courage to just be "Discovery" in its own newly invented universe with its own themes and style I would probably read a few reviews then just decide its not for me and never go near it again ( same as I did with Dark Matter),
What I do find objectionable is that it mugs the ST name and uses its words and terms without adhering in any meaningful way to what "makes " ST.
I want to see new ST on the screen but not at the cost of removing all the steak and just leaving a sizzle.

 

[Paul Weaver]

like the "nebula" in the last episode which looked like the freakin' lights of Zetar

Yes, a little annoying, but we know that all sci fi (fighting with ships mere metres away, asteroid fields, or the kupier belt in Treachery, Faith and the Great River) has issues with portraying realistic space environments

Not in a unified way that military comrades would be,

Starfleet isn't a military

 

[Brainsucker]

What would I change? Nothing! It isn't that Discovery is perfect, but this series is not belong to me. Yes, I pay for it, but I'm just a watcher. I'm a fan, but, well... I'm just a fan. I'm not an investor who spend millions USD for Discovery. I'm not someone who know about movie making. I'm just a Star Trek fan. For me, watching a movie is just the same as looking at an art. So either it is a masterpiece, or it is a flop, I can only decide that I should spend my money to watch it or not.

So far, I like Discovery, so I want to enjoy it more. But should I tell the Movie Maker to change something? No! What right do I have to tell CBS to make a 25th Century Star Trek when I don't throw my own money to make it happen. If only I give them 10 millions USD, then I have something to tell to CBS to realize my fetish. But I'm not. I don't even have that kind of money. So I will position myself as a spectator who enjoy an art that being presented to me. If I like, I'll continue, but if not, I'll move on and looking for another art to enjoy. It's simple like that.

It just like what I did to The Orville. It's a good show. I won't give a bad critic to Seth. But should I continue to watch it? No. The nature of the show that purely episodic make me feel that I'm already enough even when I just watch one or two episodes of it. But should I curse Seth Macfarlane just because I feel it bad? No. He's an expert of movie-making. I'm just a TV-watcher. Maybe it's not for me. But I'm sure there are a lot of people who love it.

So would I become a dick and pointing finger to them? No. Those producers have more concern about Star Trek than me, because they throw their own money on it, and they expect something to return for their investment. If I want to become a dick and throw my own tantrum to CBS, then I would throw them 10 Millions USD and join the investors so that I can dictate them about what Star Trek that I like and what I dislike.

 

[Refuge]

This show is shit. Really

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

What would I change? Nothing! It isn't that Discovery is perfect, but this series is not belong to me. Yes, I pay for it, but I'm just a watcher. I'm a fan, but, well... I'm just a fan. I'm not an investor who spend millions USD for Discovery. I'm not someone who know about movie making. I'm just a Star Trek fan. For me, watching a movie is just the same as looking at an art. So either it is a masterpiece, or it is a flop, I can only decide that I should spend my money to watch it or not.

So far, I like Discovery, so I want to enjoy it more. But should I tell the Movie Maker to change something? No! What right do I have to tell CBS to make a 25th Century Star Trek when I don't throw my own money to make it happen. If only I give them 10 millions USD, then I have something to tell to CBS to realize my fetish. But I'm not. I don't even have that kind of money. So I will position myself as a spectator who enjoy an art that being presented to me. If I like, I'll continue, but if not, I'll move on and looking for another art to enjoy. It's simple like that.

It just like what I did to The Orville. It's a good show. I won't give a bad critic to Seth. But should I continue to watch it? No. The nature of the show that purely episodic make me feel that I'm already enough even when I just watch one or two episodes of it. But should I curse Seth Macfarlane just because I feel it bad? No. He's an expert of movie-making. I'm just a TV-watcher. Maybe it's not for me. But I'm sure there are a lot of people who love it.

So would I become a dick and pointing finger to them? No. Those producers have more concern about Star Trek than me, because they throw their own money on it, and they expect something to return for their investment. If I want to become a dick and throw my own tantrum to CBS, then I would throw them 10 Millions USD and join the investors so that I can dictate them about what Star Trek that I like and what I dislike.

You dont need 10 million USD to be able to say something about Star Trek Discovery and being an art-critic doesnt neccecarely make you a dick. That would turn this forum in to a very quiet place, full of.. dicks...? No wait.. just a quiet place!

 

[Prax]

Starfleet isn't a military

It is right now.

 

[GilmourD]

Starfleet isn't a military

Even during war?

 

[Tesophius]

Good news is that you can stop watching immediately and have no need to register further complaints as a result of you wisely disconnecting from something you obviously find objectionable.

Give it a rest.

 

[Commishsleer]

Yeah, Discovery is honestly not going to beat In the Pale Moonlight, no matter how hard it tries.

In the Pale Moonlight is an 80s Picard piece.
It wouldn't fly in the 2010's with any other Star Trek character (except maybe Kirk).
Discovery has to make its own way with topics relevant to its characters.
I know you don't literally mean this exact episode but I don't think any series could produce this sort of episode after only knowing the characters for 6 episodes.

 

[GilmourD]

In the Pale Moonlight is an 80s Picard piece.
It wouldn't fly in the 2010's with any other Star Trek character (except maybe Kirk).
Discovery has to make its own way with topics relevant to its characters.
I know you don't literally mean this exact episode but I don't think any series could produce this sort of episode after only knowing the characters for 6 episodes.

Picard?

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight_(episode)

 

[Kor]

Just because they may have borrowed the general idea of some kind of Klingon-Fed war from non-canon FASA materials, that doesn't mean it has to be exactly four years long. It will be nice if it's wrapped up in one season.

Kor

 

[Hey Missy]

In the Pale Moonlight is an 80s Picard piece.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

This show is shit. Really

I just don't get that you're letting us all know how you really feel.

what's holding you back?

 

[Vger23]

Give it a rest.

That's exactly my point. Thank you.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Even during war?

Especially during war.

 

[Prax]

I thought Starfleet was a military during wars. That's what the Starfleet-is-not-a-military guys and gals here always say.

 

[Commishsleer]

Sorry, sorry, sorry
I thought you meant "The Inner Light" .
Well they both have light in their names.
And my point still stands - you know that I'm an idiot.