What is the Worst Trek Film?

[Myasishchev]

I hated Final Frontier. They never explain Syboks powers. How he got them or what not. Why people should just follow him when all he did was wave his hands and do a bunch of magic tricks.

He's a Vulcan. Vulcans can cloud minds. Spock did it at least twice in TOS. Sybok clearly took an advanced course, but it's apparently the same basic ability.

Why he thought "God" or whatever resided in that space cloud thingy without any explaination. Why he wanted to go there in the first place wasn't answered either.

Presumably God contacted Sybok, or Sybok contacted God.

All that I could forgive. I could not forgive them for making Uhura, Chekov, Sulu, and McCoy turn against their leader and Captain of up to 30 years. If they were all under some sort of mind control, it wouldn't have bothered me. That's forgiveable and understandable. But they were shown as being fully capable of making their own decisions. Because apparently Sybok is just so awesome no one can say no to him. Why all those fucking traitors weren't put on trail for treason, sedition, and mutiny afterwords blows my mind. It ruined TOS cast for me. It's no wonder why TUC acted like it never happened.

I'm pretty sure they were mind-controlled. Chekov might as well have been tried for treason after Star Trek II by that metric.

 

[Thrall]

He's a Vulcan. Vulcans can cloud minds. Spock did it at least twice in TOS. Sybok clearly took an advanced course, but it's apparently the same basic ability.

Not to that level. There's never been a Vulcan so powerful he can create illusions out of thin air. They're not supposed to be Dark Phoenix here.

Presumably God contacted Sybok, or Sybok contacted God.

But did they explain that in the movie? I don't recall that they did.

I'm pretty sure they were mind-controlled. Chekov might as well have been tried for treason after Star Trek II by that metric.

But again, they didn't explain or imply that either. The way it was presented was that he "healed everyone's pain" and as such they were willing to help him because they were so overwhelmed with joy. If it was mind-control I wouldn't complain. But they never said or implied that it was, as far as I remember. You had to assume something that was never implied or presented in order to justify character destruction. So Chekov under mind-control? Forgivable. Chekov doing it because he's really glad Sybok cured his daddy issues? Not forgiveable.

 

[Praetor]

I always took "healed my pain" to mean some kind of psychic brainwashing where they were so awash with joy that they would do whatever Sybok wanted to avoid having that go away. It wasn't very fell fleshed out, I agree.

 

[borgfan8of5]

Insurection was by far the worst.

 

[cooleddie74]

TFF is the worst of the classic cast films by a mile or more. But even it had more soul, heart and warmth than NEMESIS or even INSURRECTION bothered to put on screen.

 

[Praetor]

^Preach, Brother Eddie!

I must say, I'm glad that neither TSFS or TUC have a single vote, despite their flaws.

 

[cooleddie74]

The new, homemade CGI test effects a fan made for TFF(and found on YouTube)would make the movie a lot easier to watch.

 

[Praetor]

I agree. It's a shame they didn't let Shat do a Director's Edition to fix the effects and cuts, if nothing else. I mean, if it can be done homemade and still be an improvement...

I have to echo what was said in this or maybe another thread about TFF being a victim of a lot of bad circumstances - the writer's strike, ILM being unavailable, and studio interference on all levels. It's like the forces of the universe all aligned at once at the prospect of Shat directing and smote him. Not directly, but in every other way possible. Poor guy.

 

[cooleddie74]

With this summer being the 20th Anniversary of the film's release and what with the new TREK film scoring major business, you'd think Paramount would cave in and let a remastered, updated version of the fifth film come out on DVD and BluRay. It'd do decent money.

 

[Praetor]

And finally silence all the TFF haters.

(Yeah, I know - )

Plus, with the nuEnterprise, 78 decks may be canon.

 

[DangerBoy]

^^ Huh. Not the part of the fanbase represented by me. I thought Kirk went out pretty much the way he would have wanted to - trying to save the galaxy. I guess it could have been done in a more extravagant ultra-heroic shoot-out kind of way, but I honestly have never understood why some people hate it so. You want him in an armchair somewhere? Kirk?

Actually, if he had to die, I would have imagined him going down with his ship.

 

[Praetor]

^But he already lost (self-destructed) the only ship that really meant anything to him, the TOS one. (Well, the refit.) I'd hate to see him going down for the replacement, fine engine or not.

 

[Admiral Dout]

I voted for Nemesis, i finaly just watched it the other night i now i know why there wasent a star trek 11 with the new generation crew.

I dont understand why The Final Frontier was the voted second worst movie i thought it was perty good i would vote the motion pic as my second worst. i thought that The Final Frontier did thake tome to what is final for all of us. weather they may or maynot be a god. but atleats every one alomst agrees that Nemesis is the worst lol

 

[Too Much Fun]

I think Kirk's death also pissed people off because he died in front of Picard instead of with his crew or at least Spock. It was cool to have Picard and Kirk sharing screen time, but Picard was not the right person to witness his death. It should have been someone he was close to that actually knew him well so that it would mean more to those witnessing the death and we could see them grieve. The fact that Spock died with Scotty, McCoy, and Kirk watching and we got to see them grieve a little at the funeral is part of what made The Wrath of Khan's ending so powerful.

Nemesis and Generations are shameful by comparison in their treatment of death. In Nemesis, all we get is Troi saying "It's Data!" and when Picard reflects on his departed friend, who does he do it with? That idiot 'baby Data' who not only knows nothing about who Data is, but can't even comprehend the (supposed) significance of what Data did. I think Picard says something like, "do you realize the sacrifice Data has made?" and the clone says, "no..." like a 6 year old.

We got so many great scenes in TNG episodes where crewmembers poignantly reflect on events they've witnessed at the end...I don't know why we couldn't have got one of those in a TNG movie. Kirk and Data's deaths were weak in both execution and aftermath. They could have at least shown that Kirk's body was taken back to earth where Spock witnessed his funeral and said some words instead of leaving it under a pile of fucking rocks in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Kirk1980]

Easy, Jadzy.

But yes, it was a load of bollocks.

 

[Quest_techie]

final frontier.

 

[Admiral Dout]

quest techie why would you say final frontier?? just wondering? . But i would have to agree with you Jadzy about how shameful they did kirk.

 

[cooleddie74]

If there's a Remastered TFF cut released on disc, they should go in and change the "Deck 78" label to something less retarded.

 

[Nerdius Maximus]

I voted for First Contact. Never liked that one.

Are you kidding?

Not the worst, but I didn't like it either.

 

[Anthony Sabre]

NEM was bad but INS was far worse, bordering on just plain juvenile.