What is the Worst Trek Film?
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^At least Voyage Home did better than Insurrection. Ouch.
This is a fascinating thread - I voted for STV and I'm surprised that Nemesis is seen that poorly. I actually would put STTMP along with STV as my least favorites. It's amazing how people can see the same movies and have such different reactions to them, isn't it?
I voted for TMP
Nemesis is like the Dummy's Guide to Star Trek II. Things could not be more clearly roadmapped as to what was going to happen.
The VERY SECOND B4 was introduced, the movie was rendered toothless. Anyone with half a brain knew that if anything happened to Data, they had a backup ready to go. It was just bad. It's the only Trek I will change the channel on if I see it on (not like I watch TV but...).
The VERY SECOND B4 was introduced, the movie was rendered toothless. Anyone with half a brain knew that if anything happened to Data, they had a backup ready to go. It was just bad. It's the only Trek I will change the channel on if I see it on (not like I watch TV but...).
Nemesis and TWOK are the worst in my opinion.
Holy crap, there's a new opinion. Never thought I'd see someone say this.
I think 'worst' depends on your criteria. Are we talking in terms of how well made it is (direction, writing, cinematography, production design, acting, etc.) or in how it treats the characters and the legacy of Star Trek? The variety of responses in here surprises me, because as far as I'm concerned it should be a no-brainer that this is a fierce battle between Insurrection, Nemesis, and The Final Frontier, and which one you hate more should depend on which criteria is more important to you of the two I've described. The Final Frontier is clearly the most poorly made of the films from a technical standpoint, but Insurrection and Nemesis were the most disrespectful to the characters. "Star Trek V" has some bad character moments too, like the Uhura and Scotty moments and the Kirk/Spock/McCoy singing scene (I know some people here like it, but it's understandably considered laughably lame by many), but I think it's heart was in the right place. Despite its faults, at least it was directed by someone with a lot of love for and knowledge about the series and characters, and I don't think the same can be said for Nemesis.
As for Insurrection, it's just baffling that something with such a talented directing/writing crew behind it and a real budget was so trite. It just goes to show you that a movie either has an idea/story that works, or it doesn't, and if it doesn't (and in this case really doesn't), nothing can save it from mediocrity.
It's the adversary thing which is getting old. How many Khans with Genesis devices do we need? aka Trek 09, all the TNG movies, TUC to an extent...
I couldn't agree more. I really wish they would move away from the uber villain dynamic that TWOK established. One of the things that makes TMP so enjoyable for me is that it doesn't have a villain.
It's especially odd that the TNG movies followed the TWOK formula so much since the series was never like that. It would have been nice if we could have gotten a TNG theatrical movie that was in the spirit of the series. All Good Things is the closest we ever got to a real TNG film.
It's especially odd that the TNG movies followed the TWOK formula so much since the series was never like that. It would have been nice if we could have gotten a TNG theatrical movie that was in the spirit of the series. All Good Things is the closest we ever got to a real TNG film.
While I agree with your sentiment, I think you mean that TMP didn't have a solidly personified villain. Starfleet knew there was an intruder, which they eventually thought was a ship, but that villain never really had a face unless you count the Ilia-bot.
That type of "fill-in-the-blank" faceless enemy can be scarier than anything the makeup department can dream up...
TMP had the best story in terms of staying true to TOS, but slow as hell. Khan was not a great villain. He spouted off cliched evil lines, and spouted off Shakespeare. I thought Nero was a better villain. In terms of characterization, Only Kirk, Spock, and Saavik gained the most. McCoy was redeemable in the last few minutes of the film, but Sulu did nothing. Uhura did nothing. Chekov went from a first officer to his same post. Scotty lost his nephew in accordance to what version you are watching, but he, also, did nothing. When I mean nothing, I mean something that they did to make themselves grow as a character. They did the exact same things from TMP and TOS. In TSFS, all the characters shined. Same with the TVH. In TFF, they were back to the norms again, like the last couple of movies didn't happen. In TUC, which I loved, only Sulu really went out of his established role, eveyone else stayed the same. Granted the actors got older, but they characters did not.
GEN was good, but we needed a better end for the Enterprise-D, and throw out the Duras Sisters. FC was excellent. INS was alright, lame villain. I was hoping for a semi-civil war as was seen from the first INS trailer, but oh well. NEM had the most potential, but failed miserabley in terms of villains and story. Only Dr Crusher stayed in the same mold from TNG,
GEN was good, but we needed a better end for the Enterprise-D, and throw out the Duras Sisters. FC was excellent. INS was alright, lame villain. I was hoping for a semi-civil war as was seen from the first INS trailer, but oh well. NEM had the most potential, but failed miserabley in terms of villains and story. Only Dr Crusher stayed in the same mold from TNG,
TFF, by a mile.
Two reasons:
1. You can't edit polls. This poll was started before the new movie opened.
2. It's still too new. The people who enjoyed it still think it's the BEST. FILM. EVER., and the people who disliked it still think it's the WORST. FILM. EVER. Give them a year to let it sink in and the results would probably be more realistic.
I voted The Motion Picture. Lame.
You are so very right. I wonder why I have Kirk getting shot ingrained on my brain?
Because for most of GENERATIONS' filming history that's how he died. It wasn't reshot until two months before the November '94 release date...barely enough time to reedit the theatrical cut. And that death sucked so bad it left a permanent impression on the fanbase.
Word got out about the first version of Kirk's death early on; Entertainment Weekly published Shatner's chapter from Star Trek Movie Memories about the making of GEN in their big all-Trek special issue from the fall of 1994, and Shatner describes it as it happened. It's also in J.M. Dillard's novelization, though interestingly enough, Dillard was allowed to write the revised ending when it was reprinted as a mass-market paperback.
^^ Huh. Not the part of the fanbase represented by me. I thought Kirk went out pretty much the way he would have wanted to - trying to save the galaxy. I guess it could have been done in a more extravagant ultra-heroic shoot-out kind of way, but I honestly have never understood why some people hate it so. You want him in an armchair somewhere? Kirk?
I hated Final Frontier. They never explain Syboks powers. How he got them or what not. Why people should just follow him when all he did was wave his hands and do a bunch of magic tricks. Why he thought "God" or whatever resided in that space cloud thingy without any explaination. Why he wanted to go there in the first place wasn't answered either.
All that I could forgive. I could not forgive them for making Uhura, Chekov, Sulu, and McCoy turn against their leader and Captain of up to 30 years. If they were all under some sort of mind control, it wouldn't have bothered me. That's forgiveable and understandable. But they were shown as being fully capable of making their own decisions. Because apparently Sybok is just so awesome no one can say no to him. Why all those fucking traitors weren't put on trail for treason, sedition, and mutiny afterwords blows my mind. It ruined TOS cast for me. It's no wonder why TUC acted like it never happened.
All that I could forgive. I could not forgive them for making Uhura, Chekov, Sulu, and McCoy turn against their leader and Captain of up to 30 years. If they were all under some sort of mind control, it wouldn't have bothered me. That's forgiveable and understandable. But they were shown as being fully capable of making their own decisions. Because apparently Sybok is just so awesome no one can say no to him. Why all those fucking traitors weren't put on trail for treason, sedition, and mutiny afterwords blows my mind. It ruined TOS cast for me. It's no wonder why TUC acted like it never happened.
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