I think time travel in Star Trek is fine if, as has been discussed, it doesn't become overused. In the six TOS movies, we had time travel used once. And I think most would agree it was done fairly well and was a fairly unique story. Since the beginning of the post-TOS movie era, it's been used three times (Generations, FC, and now XI). One out of six movies using time travel was not bad. Three out of five is too much.
What is the Worst Trek Film?
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I voted for Generations. At the time this film came out, I thought it was one of the best in the series. But after the euphoria wore off, I realized that this movie is a complete mess. A collection of cool ideas (blow up the E-D, Kirk and Picard meet, Ent-B) glued together by an incoherent story.
The Nexus is the laziest bit of writing ever produced - "hey, let's create this generic spacial anomaly that just happens to do whatever we need it to do, and we won't even attempt to explain it." Kirk can come out of the Nexus, but nobody else? Are they both still there?
The lighting was horrific. I assume the idea was to hide the cheesiness of the made-for-TV sets on the big screen (which was also the reason they destroyed the E-D), but the idiotic lighting actually drew more attention to the fact that these were TV sets, rather than cover it up. And what was with the mixing and matching of the TNG and DS9 uniforms? Didn't make much sense.
Data as comic relief was the beginning of the end for his character. They turned his emotion chip, and subsequently his whole character, into a joke, a bad one.
And then the greatest sin of all - killing off Kirk. At least the reshot death is a little better than Soran shooting him in the back, but it was still a bit lame. Star Trek's greatest hero dies trying to grab a remote control. When Soran got away from them, Picard and Kirk could have just let the Nexus take them in again, and try again until they got it right, right?
Moreso than INS or NEM, this one feels like a TV episode, with special guest Bill Shatner, slapped together, and thrown up on the big screen.
The fact that Nimoy wanted no part of this, but DOES appear in XI gives me some hope for the new film...
The Nexus is the laziest bit of writing ever produced - "hey, let's create this generic spacial anomaly that just happens to do whatever we need it to do, and we won't even attempt to explain it." Kirk can come out of the Nexus, but nobody else? Are they both still there?
The lighting was horrific. I assume the idea was to hide the cheesiness of the made-for-TV sets on the big screen (which was also the reason they destroyed the E-D), but the idiotic lighting actually drew more attention to the fact that these were TV sets, rather than cover it up. And what was with the mixing and matching of the TNG and DS9 uniforms? Didn't make much sense.
Data as comic relief was the beginning of the end for his character. They turned his emotion chip, and subsequently his whole character, into a joke, a bad one.
And then the greatest sin of all - killing off Kirk. At least the reshot death is a little better than Soran shooting him in the back, but it was still a bit lame. Star Trek's greatest hero dies trying to grab a remote control. When Soran got away from them, Picard and Kirk could have just let the Nexus take them in again, and try again until they got it right, right?
Moreso than INS or NEM, this one feels like a TV episode, with special guest Bill Shatner, slapped together, and thrown up on the big screen.
The fact that Nimoy wanted no part of this, but DOES appear in XI gives me some hope for the new film...
The joystick was lame beyond words. They didn't even try to hide it was a jerry-rigged video game platform controller attached to a big vertical post.
The least they could have done was drastically repaint it so it wouldn't look so much like something from a SEGA Saturn or Atari 2600.
The joystick was lame beyond words. They didn't even try to hide it was a jerry-rigged video game platform controller attached to a big vertical post.
What about Sulu's gear shifter in TMP and Checkov's joystick at the weapon's console then?
The joystick was lame beyond words. They didn't even try to hide it was a jerry-rigged video game platform controller attached to a big vertical post.
What about Sulu's gear shifter in TMP and Checkov's joystick at the weapon's console then?
They were changed/altered enough so they didn't look like something yanked out of an auto garage or Radio Shack. My first thoughts weren't that they looked like parts of a sportscar or video game system.
Couldn't deal with that first movie, still makes me scream when I see it but Generations was another choice.
I would rank them as follows for worst to best:
The Motion Picture
Generation
The search for spock
The Final Frontier
Nemesis
Insurrection
First Contact
The Voyage Home
Undiscovered Country
The Wrath of Khan
I'm looking forward to the new movie because Data's not in it to bore us with his search for human traits.
I would rank them as follows for worst to best:
The Motion Picture
Generation
The search for spock
The Final Frontier
Nemesis
Insurrection
First Contact
The Voyage Home
Undiscovered Country
The Wrath of Khan
I'm looking forward to the new movie because Data's not in it to bore us with his search for human traits.
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Star Trek: Nemesis
Why? I only watched it all the way through once, on its release in 2002. One day, six years later, I tried to watch it a second time on AMC but I couldn't even get through 20 minutes. I really tried.
There's a reason for why the movie series went into a seven-year hiatus. Nemesis is the Star Trek equivalent of Batman & Robin.
Why? I only watched it all the way through once, on its release in 2002. One day, six years later, I tried to watch it a second time on AMC but I couldn't even get through 20 minutes. I really tried.
There's a reason for why the movie series went into a seven-year hiatus. Nemesis is the Star Trek equivalent of Batman & Robin.
I mostly agree, except I think The Voyage Home and First Contact are better than The Undiscovered Country, mostly because I hate the middle part where Kirk and McCoy are in prison. Great beginning and ending scenes, though. What bothered you about The Search for Spock? I think it's rather mediocre, but certainly not as bad as Nemesis, Insurrection, and The Final Frontier.
Wow, that's really harsh, but also hilarious.
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Nemesis. Before that one came out, I eventually managed to watch both The Wrath of Khan and The Final Frontier. But I never could get into Nemesis at all. Just didn't interest me much. Only reason I even saw part of it once was cause I was bored! It didn't inspire me to stay up late when I got tired.
I think I stopped right after Picard first met Shinzon.
I think I stopped right after Picard first met Shinzon.
I mostly agree, except I think The Voyage Home and First Contact are better than The Undiscovered Country, mostly because I hate the middle part where Kirk and McCoy are in person. Great beginning and ending scenes, though. What bothered you about The Search for Spock? I think it's rather mediocre, but certainly not as bad as Nemesis, Insurrection, and The Final Frontier.
Wow, that's really harsh, but also hilarious.
You are right about the prison part but the crews fumbling to find the killers and Kirkand Bones made up for that. The Search for spock I just could not get into just felt they threw the story line together to bring Spock back and make another movie.
Sorry but I got fed up with Data in Season 6 and then when they started that crap in the movies I just wanted to scream. By Nemesis I was wondering why they didn't call it the Picard/Data movie because they really didnn't use the other characters except for window dressing for a scene.
Yeah, Nemesis definitely has better production value and a less confusing story than Star Trek V, but I think fans hate it more because of all the things it did to offend fans like killing off a major character in very stupid fashion and generally being so contrived and uninspired that it killed the movie franchise for more years than any of the others ever could.
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NEMESIS. I will still watch it on occasion but with remote in hand for fast forwarding where needed.
NEMESIS had vastly superior effects and technical minutae than TFF...easily. But STV had a warmer, more three-dimensional plot with better character interaction and dialogue. Which saved it from being the worst of the ten films to date simply on the strength of the Troika scenes.
Nah I'm including writing as a production element. Fans should hate STV more for attempting moments that assassinated their characters on a fundamental level that Nemesis never even came close to. Now that's offensive! And the script??? A trite god story, summed up in a line or two by Kirk at the end. Awful. I honestly think if it wasn't for STNG's popularity, STV would have killed off the whole franchise in 1989.
Ditto above
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Lord Garth
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This I agree with.
Harve Bennett wanted to back-pedal and make a movie about young Kirk and Spock after this. Most likely, he wanted to salvage the movies by finding a different direction fast.
Then he'd counter by saying, probably for PR, "We're not stopping the original movies, we're just looking back to remember, then we can have both types of movies!" This is according to his interview in Star Trek Movie Memories.
Personally, I think that would've looked too confusing by alternating the movie series like that. Either you have a Star Trek movie every two years where alternating would give each cast its own movie every four years, and that stretches things out too far for each cast; or you have a Star Trek movie every year where the casts would alternate, and that's just overkill. Harve Bennett presumably would've wanted to get the Academy movie out in 1992, which means another movie with the original cast wouldn't have come out until 1994 at the earliest.
No. I think Harve Bennett wanted to recast and reboot after TFF. Then Paramount rejected it, they wanted a traditional movie for the 25th Anniversarry, Harve said he had nothing, and moved on.
Presumably, Paramount wouldn't have cared about the 25th Anniversarry without TNG keeping Star Trek alive.
My Top 3 in order are
1) The Final Frontier
2) Insurrection
3) Nemesis
1) The Final Frontier
2) Insurrection
3) Nemesis
I think it would be more accurate to call those "bottom three". 
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