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Klingons speaking Klingon and requiring subtitles is in fairness not a complaint specific to Discovery.
 
He was raised by humans.
Irrelevant, since the Klingons not raised by humans were also understandable without subtitles.

How bad will trek be in 20 years to make Discovery passable? :biggrin:
Well, I will admit that the theme music isn't so bad. It's what comes between the opening and closing themes that's crap. Including the visuals that accompany the music. I'm not a fan of yellow and red.

But my favorite theme music of all the spinoffs remains that of Voyager.


I have my doubts, though, that anything can be bad enough to make Discovery passable.
 
It's been awhile since I saw the later Voyager episodes... but I don't remember subtitles on the screen whenever B'Elanna spoke Klingon.
 
Dumb question time-are subtitles that bad?
I don't think so. In foreign films, you get to hear the actors'/original voices instead of someone else redubbing their lines (which is almost always the case), not to mention the original/intended language. In sci-fi with subtitles for extraterrestrials, they are often going for the same vibe one gets while watching a foreign film or playing off that vibe or against it, to emphasize the alien-ness. Like many techniques, it can be overused, misused, ineffectively used. and so forth. But as a rule, is it bad? I would say, "no."
 
I don't think so. In foreign films, you get to hear the actors'/original voices instead of someone else redubbing their lines (which is almost always the case), not to mention the original/intended language. In sci-fi with subtitles for extraterrestrials, they are often going for the same vibe one gets while watching a foreign film or playing off that vibe or against it, to emphasize the alien-ness. Like many techniques, it can be overused, misused, ineffectively used. and so forth. But as a rule, is it bad? I would say, "no."
I personally prefer the Klingons speaking Klingon with title exactly because it emphasizes their alien-ness.
 
Ah, so Star Trek must always do the same thing?

I think I'm understanding now.
:rolleyes:

I'm not a fan of subtitles. There is exactly one movie I've seen when I didn't mind them: Raise the Red Lantern. The subtitles were necessary because I don't understand Mandarin (or Cantonese; not sure which language the actors were speaking). But the subtitles weren't in an obnoxious-looking font, and it's not like the viewer is so busy trying to read the subtitles that they don't notice what's actually going on. And the actors' voices aren't ear-hurting or veeerrrrryyyy.... sssssllllloooowwww..... ssssppppeeeaakkkkkkeeeeerrrrrsssssss.
 
:rolleyes:

I'm not a fan of subtitles. There is exactly one movie I've seen when I didn't mind them: Raise the Red Lantern. The subtitles were necessary because I don't understand Mandarin (or Cantonese; not sure which language the actors were speaking). But the subtitles weren't in an obnoxious-looking font, and it's not like the viewer is so busy trying to read the subtitles that they don't notice what's actually going on. And the actors' voices aren't ear-hurting or veeerrrrryyyy.... sssssllllloooowwww..... ssssppppeeeaakkkkkkeeeeerrrrrsssssss.
:shrug:
 
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