What if the new Trek XI Enterprise looked like this?
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trevanian
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I'll add that rendering is another aspect here, both in methodology and resolution size. If you want to really get that illusion of size and detail, you need proper shadow blacks and 4K output from a larger image, and if you want something really special, render with radiosity-style processes that give you something more than just the fixed obvious light source.
Other than that, you're really dead on target (and btw, I'd've taken the flame warning you took in trekart the other day if I'd been online at the time; you getting that warning instead of the other guy, though, was a total crock o' shit, but not a totally unexpected one.)
I just signed up here just to say how impressed I am with your version of the Enterprise, Jason. Wow. Bravo.
It's nice to see that someone else believes that the producers of Trek XI could have easily created a realistic "movie-quality" version of the Enterprise without throwing so much of Jeffries' original design out the window. Beautiful job.
(And a 'hello' to Trevanian, who invited me to join this board after reading something I'd posted over at Trekmovie.com.)
It's nice to see that someone else believes that the producers of Trek XI could have easily created a realistic "movie-quality" version of the Enterprise without throwing so much of Jeffries' original design out the window. Beautiful job.
(And a 'hello' to Trevanian, who invited me to join this board after reading something I'd posted over at Trekmovie.com.)
trevanian
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Welcome, Allan. Whether we agree or disagree on the various topics, I'm sure (based on those other posts of yours I read elsewhere) your point of view is going to be an interesting, well-considered one.
There's some stuff about this in the TREKART forum here as well, but don't blow yourself out too fast getting caught up!
Kevin
There's some stuff about this in the TREKART forum here as well, but don't blow yourself out too fast getting caught up!
Kevin
Yes! :thumbsup:
"It's nice to see that someone else believes that the producers of Trek XI could have easily created a realistic "movie-quality" version of the Enterprise without throwing so much of Jeffries' original design out the window."
The Star Trek XI design is a combo of Jefferies' TOS, and Phase II movie designs. The Phase II movie's saucer section, impulse engine, bridge module, and main sensor dome were givn to the Phase II tv series design. Then these 2 designs were combined to create the TMP design.
Originally, The Cage Enterprise was going to be what became the TMP design with nacelles, and pylons that would later go to the Enterprise-E in Star Trek: First Contact. But it was too expensive to make smooth angles.
So, the Star Trek XI design is what was supposed to be the Enterprise from the Beginning.
:thumbsup:
"It's nice to see that someone else believes that the producers of Trek XI could have easily created a realistic "movie-quality" version of the Enterprise without throwing so much of Jeffries' original design out the window."
The Star Trek XI design is a combo of Jefferies' TOS, and Phase II movie designs. The Phase II movie's saucer section, impulse engine, bridge module, and main sensor dome were givn to the Phase II tv series design. Then these 2 designs were combined to create the TMP design.
Originally, The Cage Enterprise was going to be what became the TMP design with nacelles, and pylons that would later go to the Enterprise-E in Star Trek: First Contact. But it was too expensive to make smooth angles.
So, the Star Trek XI design is what was supposed to be the Enterprise from the Beginning.
:thumbsup:
I may do some more artistic renders when I have more time. Right now I am working on some shots of my version in a similar setting and presentation to the one in the teaser. I am also working on a separate model that matches the teaser version, at least as far as I can tell by what is visible. Might have something to show on that pretty soon.
Thanks. I want to state for the record, though, that I never expected them to remain this faithful to the original design. I do think they could have remained more faithful than they apparently have based on what we saw in the teaser, but I for one am not going to let that ruin my enjoyment of the film.
I'm reserving final judgement until we get a much better view of the new ship as a whole.
That was one of the features I added to try to streamline the overall shape a little bit. They also serve another very important function, which is to minimize the visual impact of the much more extreme taper at the back end of the nacelles. If you look closely, you can see that the actual nacelle body narrows down to the same diameter as the sphere at the back end and the aft cowl surrounds it like a ring. That actually looks rather weird by itself, which is where the longitudinal ribs come in. The fact that they blended in so nicely with the intercoolers was a bonus.
VEKTOR, I applaud you. Too bad the Production designers & Abrams can't stick with what works. You Grasp the concept of subtle embellishment. I actually like the Slight slant to the nacelle pylons, but I'm a Purist.
However I stand by this opinion. I would hope that Abrams won’t make the same mistakes that Berman made. The reason Star Trek has lasted so long is the loyalty of it’s fans and staying true (for the most part) to Gene Roddenberry’s concept. Changing the ENTERPRISE for TMP was a an upgrade not a re-imagining, We are talking about the Grand Old Lady Now, Don’t F&*K with the Original Enterprise. It is the most recognized SciFi Icon in History. Everyone Knows the ENTERPRISE. Changing it is like Ignoring the Prime Directive.
I understand today’s audiences want more realism, and such. Well show the Old Girl the way Roddenberry wanted. Show her the way she looks in the Smithsonian. The lighting in the 60’s washed out all her texturing etc. With CGI, they can make her look the way she was supposed to. Accent details, don’t Change her design.
People always say that Ron Moore's New design of the Galactica was well received. Not by the fans I have spoken to. Moore's interpretation of the show was good, but Frankly the Galactica and the Pegasus new look SUCKED! But this is Star Trek, A higher standard is expected, and owed to the Loyal fans. VEKTOR's Conceptual photos are very good, However Gabe Koerner went to far, he seems to have just added bulk wherever it would fit. No Offense to Gabe, but the changes he made are chaotic, like he just wanted to make it different and his own. It's almost as if he consulted George Lucas.
As for Interior Sets………the changing of sets on TOS were over time, gradual and subtle as well as the Motion Picture Sets. if this is supposed to be Kirk’s 1st or earlier missions fine, subtle accentuation on set design will work, but you can’t make supposed older designs to be changed so drastically when they have been shown and known by so many for so long.
Alot of you say, who cares about Canon, or Canon has nothing to do with the Ship itself and set design. You're all either just plain Nuts, or not the devoted fans you think you are. There is such a thing as consistency. Are you non-purists and the movie makers willing to piss off and alienate the loyal fans of decades just to bring in some new viewers? Star Trek is Star Trek.The Film is going to be a Box-Office smash without changing what made Star Trek Unique. Unfortunately Non-Fans have a preconceived notion that it is silly and campy. If they are new viewers to the franchise, they won’t know that things weren't changed anyway. The set design could use some subtle embellishment for realism and detail. Roddenberry's original wish that the still photos on the bridge above duty stations be smaller working view screens as seen on "Enterprise", would be a good start. I'm talking about SUBTLE accentuation to the original design. Modern audiences have already seen how the Original Enterprise bridge should appear, from "RELICS"-TNG, "TRIALS & TRIBBLATIONS"-DS9, and "IN A MIRROR DARKLY"-Enterprise. So stick with what works and has worked for 40 years. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!! Berman totally screwed up the franchise. Examples - RESURRECTION/NEMESIS, and he needed to go, he ruined ENTERPRISE, with all that Xindi bullshit, when he should have filled all the gaps and answered the questions brought up in the original series, as was attempted in the 4th season, but it was too late to save the show from cancellation. Good Riddens Rick Berman. Let’s hope Abrams doesn’t make the same Mistakes.
I think a fantastic openning scene would be Jonathon Archer witnessing the Launch of 1701. Archer’s Bio says he lived to see the construction and launch of the ENTERPRISE-1701, and died of natural causes shortly after. I think that would make a great scene. then fade out and bring it up to the time of Kirk. similar things have been done before, and worked well. EXAMPLE - Dr. McCoy walking with DATA after touring the Enterprise D in the TNG Pilot.
In Closing, Vektor has come up with the best design so far, with very little variance from the Original, but Star Trek Canon exists for a reason. DON’T F&*K WITH IT!!!!!!!!!! The Loyal Fans of TOS should be the 1st demographic Abrams should wish to please. 40 years folks, It has worked for 40 years, don’t fix it if it isn’t broken.
However I stand by this opinion. I would hope that Abrams won’t make the same mistakes that Berman made. The reason Star Trek has lasted so long is the loyalty of it’s fans and staying true (for the most part) to Gene Roddenberry’s concept. Changing the ENTERPRISE for TMP was a an upgrade not a re-imagining, We are talking about the Grand Old Lady Now, Don’t F&*K with the Original Enterprise. It is the most recognized SciFi Icon in History. Everyone Knows the ENTERPRISE. Changing it is like Ignoring the Prime Directive.
I understand today’s audiences want more realism, and such. Well show the Old Girl the way Roddenberry wanted. Show her the way she looks in the Smithsonian. The lighting in the 60’s washed out all her texturing etc. With CGI, they can make her look the way she was supposed to. Accent details, don’t Change her design.
People always say that Ron Moore's New design of the Galactica was well received. Not by the fans I have spoken to. Moore's interpretation of the show was good, but Frankly the Galactica and the Pegasus new look SUCKED! But this is Star Trek, A higher standard is expected, and owed to the Loyal fans. VEKTOR's Conceptual photos are very good, However Gabe Koerner went to far, he seems to have just added bulk wherever it would fit. No Offense to Gabe, but the changes he made are chaotic, like he just wanted to make it different and his own. It's almost as if he consulted George Lucas.
As for Interior Sets………the changing of sets on TOS were over time, gradual and subtle as well as the Motion Picture Sets. if this is supposed to be Kirk’s 1st or earlier missions fine, subtle accentuation on set design will work, but you can’t make supposed older designs to be changed so drastically when they have been shown and known by so many for so long.
Alot of you say, who cares about Canon, or Canon has nothing to do with the Ship itself and set design. You're all either just plain Nuts, or not the devoted fans you think you are. There is such a thing as consistency. Are you non-purists and the movie makers willing to piss off and alienate the loyal fans of decades just to bring in some new viewers? Star Trek is Star Trek.The Film is going to be a Box-Office smash without changing what made Star Trek Unique. Unfortunately Non-Fans have a preconceived notion that it is silly and campy. If they are new viewers to the franchise, they won’t know that things weren't changed anyway. The set design could use some subtle embellishment for realism and detail. Roddenberry's original wish that the still photos on the bridge above duty stations be smaller working view screens as seen on "Enterprise", would be a good start. I'm talking about SUBTLE accentuation to the original design. Modern audiences have already seen how the Original Enterprise bridge should appear, from "RELICS"-TNG, "TRIALS & TRIBBLATIONS"-DS9, and "IN A MIRROR DARKLY"-Enterprise. So stick with what works and has worked for 40 years. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!! Berman totally screwed up the franchise. Examples - RESURRECTION/NEMESIS, and he needed to go, he ruined ENTERPRISE, with all that Xindi bullshit, when he should have filled all the gaps and answered the questions brought up in the original series, as was attempted in the 4th season, but it was too late to save the show from cancellation. Good Riddens Rick Berman. Let’s hope Abrams doesn’t make the same Mistakes.
I think a fantastic openning scene would be Jonathon Archer witnessing the Launch of 1701. Archer’s Bio says he lived to see the construction and launch of the ENTERPRISE-1701, and died of natural causes shortly after. I think that would make a great scene. then fade out and bring it up to the time of Kirk. similar things have been done before, and worked well. EXAMPLE - Dr. McCoy walking with DATA after touring the Enterprise D in the TNG Pilot.
In Closing, Vektor has come up with the best design so far, with very little variance from the Original, but Star Trek Canon exists for a reason. DON’T F&*K WITH IT!!!!!!!!!! The Loyal Fans of TOS should be the 1st demographic Abrams should wish to please. 40 years folks, It has worked for 40 years, don’t fix it if it isn’t broken.
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Given that it is indeed a Trek board, I'd say pretty good!
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