What I like about the show and what I don't

[Lance]

I liked that these were real, identifiable people out there in space. It's got a very different vibe to VOY in that the cast of characters in ENT are not perfect, they don't come from a perfect Earth and they aren't part of some perfect Federation, with the training and disicpline that comes from that. They're really just pioneers. I like that. It's very sombre, and it's very 'real'. Only DS9 came close to that, and only then through it's unique mixture of different characters and cultures. ENT was more like 'Starfleet Unplugged'.

I agree it was torpedoed by having this 'myth arc' involving time travel shenanigans, and it was much better once they finally got that out of their system in the fourth season and started doing the kinds of things they should have been doing from the beginning.

(I'm not against 'myth arcs', I just don't think ENT's one was very well advised. If they were going to do one, then it should've been something more 'real'. "Mysterious Time Travel" was about as stereotypical as they could get and only made some of us wonder if the powers that be weren't still stuck in a time warp themselves. )

 

[kirkfan]

Your negatives are wrong.

Are ya' talkin' t'me?

 

[Zaminhon]

I finally watched the series, it took me around a decade to wash the techno-babble and sterility of the later trek series. Delving into the first season of ENT. looked like more of the same, -it seemed like another season of V'ger As far as the negatives, I never did get into the time war and found the finale just dismal. Most of the other episodes were just sort of so-so and some just laughable, such as facing off against the Borg.

As for the positives, the Xindi theme was an interesting arc, however my favorite episodes involved the human/ Vulcan relationships. The trilogy on Vulcan were some of the best episodes. I also thought the Andorians were the most interesting species and one of the most fleshed out alien civilizations besides the Vulcans and Klingons. The Andorians were the most "alien" of the alien species. They were more than just body suits or forehead attachments.. they looked other-worldly.

Overall I'm glad I saw the series, but I'm probably not going to re-watch it in the next 10 years.

 

[kirkfan]

They really did the aliens pretty well. I like that we got to see a Gorn that wasn't just a guy in a suit and a much better look at a Tholian.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I wish the series uniforms transitioned to Captain Pike era uniforms, to show the series is a prequel to Star Trek. By not establishing this, it can only mean Archer and his crew did something to wipe them out of the timeline.

Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise crew of the classic Trek series never mentioned Archer's existence, but Pike, and Robert April - THE FIRST CAPTAIN of THE ENTERPRISE were mentioned.

 

[T'Girl]

By not establishing this, it can only mean Archer and his crew did something to wipe them out of the timeline.

There's a eighty-some year separation between the last (in-universe) time we see the blue coveralls and the first time we see Pike's style of uniforms.

Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise crew of the classic Trek series never mentioned Archer's existence.

I wonder if they ever mention Commander Mark Vartan (RN), the current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise.

 

[fonzob1]

Enterprise had so much potential. Some things I liked:

-The Andorian story arc
-Many Coto's season 4 that really established some back story fans wanted to see
-There were some really good characters: Tripp, T'Pol, Archer, Phlox
-Attention to detail (e.g. technology for the era, etc.)
-Archer's skepticism of Vulcan intentions

Some things I didn't like:

-Temporal Cold war
-The fact that the MACO's were introduced as badass, but later just became "red shirts"
-Tripp's unfortunate part in the series finale
-The Xindi
-The fact that Brannon and Braga made too many weak episodes early on that didn't focus on orgin stories
-The fact that Brannon and Braga completely rewrote first contact with the Klingons.

 

[STEPhon IT]

By not establishing this, it can only mean Archer and his crew did something to wipe them out of the timeline.

There's a eighty-some year separation between the last (in-universe) time we see the blue coveralls and the first time we see Pike's style of uniforms.

Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise crew of the classic Trek series never mentioned Archer's existence.

I wonder if they ever mention Commander Mark Vartan (RN), the current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise.

The current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise from what TV series? This is fiction not reality

 

[kirkfan]

By not establishing this, it can only mean Archer and his crew did something to wipe them out of the timeline.

There's a eighty-some year separation between the last (in-universe) time we see the blue coveralls and the first time we see Pike's style of uniforms.

Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise crew of the classic Trek series never mentioned Archer's existence.

I wonder if they ever mention Commander Mark Vartan (RN), the current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise.

The current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise from what TV series? This is fiction not reality

They make references to reality. For example when Archer talks about the model ships in his quarters to Shran, the old ones are actual ships named Enterprise.

 

[T'Girl]

Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise crew of the classic Trek series never mentioned Archer's existence.

I wonder if they ever mention Commander Mark Vartan (RN), the current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise.

The current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise from what TV series? This is fiction not reality

Point being there have been a lot of Captains commanding a lot of Enterprise's. The conference room on the Enterprise Dee had notable historical Enterprises on the display wall, the NX-01 wasn't included.

Let's face it, Archer is a clue-less bubblin' fool most of the time, from Kirk's (etc) perspective he likely isn't even a blip on the scanners.

 

[kirkfan]

I wonder if they ever mention Commander Mark Vartan (RN), the current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise.

The current commanding officer of the HMS Enterprise from what TV series? This is fiction not reality

Point being there have been a lot of Captains commanding a lot of Enterprise's. The conference room on the Enterprise Dee had notable historical Enterprises on the display wall, the NX-01 wasn't included.

Let's face it, Archer is a clue-less bubblin' fool most of the time, from Kirk's (etc) perspective he likely isn't even a blip on the scanners.

Witness that in TATV Deanna didn't even know the difference between Archer's ship and Kirk's... Yet there is more than a century separating them.

It would be like an American confusing the war of independence with the civil war...

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Deanna identifies as Betazoid, probably didn't grow up sucking down the earth based achievements of starfleet. I bet she has random factoids about Betazoid's warp history in her head that most humans don't know.

 

[T'Girl]

She knows from her father stories about the American frontier west, but her knowledge of Earth history might come to a screaming halt with that.

The Federation has over 150 Member in the 24th century, how many historical sea and space and star ship commanders and captains would that be?

Yuri Gagarin and Neil Armstrong sure, Jonathan Archer ... ?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I wish the series uniforms transitioned to Captain Pike era uniforms, to show the series is a prequel to Star Trek. By not establishing this, it can only mean Archer and his crew did something to wipe them out of the timeline.

Check out the opening of Star Trek (2009) - the costumes the USS Kelvin crew wear are a neat halfway between Archer's blue flight suits and TOS' jammies.

And remember, in "In a Mirror, Darkly" we see Archer and Hoshi's NX-01 crew records in the USS Defiant's (from "The Tholian Web") memory banks.

Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise crew of the classic Trek series never mentioned Archer's existence, but Pike, and Robert April - THE FIRST CAPTAIN of THE ENTERPRISE were mentioned.

First captain of that Enterprise.

 

[kirkfan]

Deanna identifies as Betazoid, probably didn't grow up sucking down the earth based achievements of starfleet. I bet she has random factoids about Betazoid's warp history in her head that most humans don't know.

That seems quite a strange reasoning given that her father was a member of starfleet and SO IS SHE!!!

 

[T'Girl]

And remember, in "In a Mirror, Darkly" we see Archer and Hoshi's NX-01 crew records in the USS Defiant's (from "The Tholian Web") memory banks

Problem there is the uniform insignia of the Defiant dead in Tholian Web, and the uniform insignia of the Defiant dead in 'Mirror Darkly are very different.

It's either the same ship, or it isn't. And it isn't.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Continuity error =/= alternate universe. Otherwise you'd have 700+ of them

 

[kirkfan]

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And...

...always look on the bright side
of life...
(Whistle)

Always look on the light side
of life...
(Whistle)

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle
- that's the thing.
And...always look on the bright
side of life...
(Whistle)

Come on.

Always look on the right side
of life...
(Whistle)

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain
with a bow
Forget about your sin - give the
audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance
anyhow.

So always look on the bright side
of death...
(Whistle)

a-Just before you draw your terminal breath...
(Whistle)

Life's a piece of shit, when you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true
You'll see its all a show, keep 'em laughin as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you

And...
Always look on the bright side
of life...
(Whistle)

Always look on the right side
of life...

C'mon Brian, cheer up

Always look on the bright side
of life...

Always look on the bright side
of life...

Worse things happen at sea you know.

I mean - what have you got to lose?
You know, you come from nothing
- you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing.

Always look on the right side
(I mean) of life...

what have you got to lose?
You know, you come from nothing
- you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost?

Always (Nothing.) look on the right side of life...

Nothing will come from nothing ya know what they say?
Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin!
There ya go, see!

Always look on the right side of life...
(Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin! At same time)

There ya go, see!

 

[JiNX-01]

LIKE
The NX-O1: It's cramped which I would expect in an early version of a star ship. The quarters aren't spacious as on the Enterprise-D.
The uniforms. They have pockets which i think could come in handy.

Porthos

Phlox and his menagerie.

DON'T LIKE:

T'Pol's ghastly skin-tight grey rag posing as a uniform.



She looked better in this:

 

[eyeresist]

The reason Archer wasn't referenced in previous shows was that ENT had not been made yet.

By not establishing this, it can only mean Archer and his crew did something to wipe them out of the timeline.

There's a eighty-some year separation between the last (in-universe) time we see the blue coveralls and the first time we see Pike's style of uniforms.

And ENT didn't get to run the "standard" seven years. I'm sure they would have touched on new uniforms at the end.

Witness that in TATV Deanna didn't even know the difference between Archer's ship and Kirk's... Yet there is more than a century separating them.

It would be like an American confusing the war of independence with the civil war...

I'm sure that has happened more than once...

One thing ENT did which they don't get credit for - they didn't contrive ridiculous ways to get characters from other shows to make "special guest appearances". So, no "Scotty caught in the transporter buffer for 75 years", or other such shenanigans....