Thanks,
. I liked barge of the dead, but I didn't really understand the ending. I understood it as some sort of dream, or near death experience.
What happened after Voyager returned home?
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Thanks,
. I liked barge of the dead, but I didn't really understand the ending. I understood it as some sort of dream, or near death experience.
That what it was. I think it's open to interpretation, it can either be a vivid dream she was having because her mother was on her mind or she really was on the Barge of the Dead.Thanks,
I liked barge of the dead, but I didn't really understand the ending. I understood it as some sort of dream, or near death experience.
Nods, makes sense. I'm thinking it was a dream, because of what she told 7 in imperfection, about hoping there was something after death, but not being sure. Also her mum was still alive, so if it really happened, it wouldn't make sense.
We don't know if her mother is alive or not. If her experience was real then Miral is still alive. However in Author Author John Torres says "she would have liked that" when B'Elanna says she was thinking about naming the baby Miral. That makes it sound like she was dead.
Oh, I thought that she talked with her mother a few times when she had her allotted time. Mabye I was mistaken, I will have to check. That does make it sound like she's dead though.
We only saw her talk to her dad and she mentioned scheduling a talk with her cousin before that
Ah, ok. Thanks,
. I haven't watched a lot of the eps in a while, so I don't remember all the details. I was just watching blood fever though, it's pretty good, .
That is one of my favoritesAh, ok. Thanks,
That is one of my favorites
It was really good,
. Nice to see Lanna embracing a bit of Klingon, and I loved the fact that Tom was being an honorable, and not taking advantage. I wish Lanna had been a bit more brave at the end in the turbo lift though, she was in denial again.
She was embarrassed over the situation and of her Klingon side taking over. By that point she most likely had already very strong feelings for Tom. It's not long after that that she tells him she loves him. The events in the cave may have made her realize the extent of her feelings for tom and that may be what she doesn't know how to deal with.It was really good,
Plus there's the whole "be careful what you wish for" line at the end
Yea, that line was cute,
. Nods, it makes sense that she would have some trouble accepting those feelings, especially with her past. Case en point, in lineage, when she completely freaked and thought Tom would leave her. Yea, in day of honor, that was a good episode also and then they get married in drive. Yea...I would be embarrassed in that situation also, so that makes sense. I just wish that she wasn't so hateful of her Klingon side. I mean, I understand why she is, but it really limits her in a lot of ways. Yea, I agree, I think that she had feelings for him for a long time. They bander something crazy. Merlin help the person that loses her stuffed Targ, lol.
That is one of my favorites
My favorite episode is Extreme Risk.
Why wouldn't he?
Q is known for his whims. If Janeway had refused to give the other Q, Quinn asylum, then Q would have sent Voyager home without hesitating. he can do good things too......if he wants or feel for it.
Sophie74656 wrote:
There is nothing at all in the episode "Cold Fire" or any other episode of Voyager which even gives the slightest hint that Kes or any Ocampa are energy vampires in any way.
When Kes was under the enfluence of Tanis, she destroyed the plants by burning them, not sucking energy out of them.
Not to mention that a member of "The Gang Of Four", a bunch of incredibly rude and downright mean Kes/Lien-haters which I used to argue with on the startrek.com forum did present such a theory (or at least a similar one) on that forum in order to trash Kes and the Ocampa. That's another reason that I do find that theory utterly repulsive.
I got the impression that the Care Taker's mate enhanced the Ocampa which gave them longevity. Once Kes was no longer under the influence of these Ocampa (and the other Care Taker) her development returned back to a normal trajectory. I'm not convinced Kes actually gained extra life from the fire, it almost seemed to accelerate hers.
Nothing was said directly so it's all just what I think. It seemed to me that the Cartetaker's mate had a very dark side. I think it would fit in with her personality for her to be sucking the life out or other people for her own gain. To aid herself she showed the ocampa living with her how to extend their lives by taking the energy from others. In exchange for that they would have to give her some of every person they drained. That just seems like something interesting to me.
The issue I had with star fleet, was the nature of the conflict of the maqui. The cardasions invaded the neutral zone, killed people, and broke the treaty. Instead of helping the people being killed, SF ignored them, and did nothing, until they tried to defend themselves, then both sides teamed up to kill them.
That's not exactly what I would consider honorable.
That's not exactly what I would consider honorable.
She had a very dark side.
Why wouldn't he?
Q is known for his whims. If Janeway had refused to give the other Q, Quinn asylum, then Q would have sent Voyager home without hesitating. he can do good things too......if he wants or feel for it.
Sophie74656 wrote:
There is nothing at all in the episode "Cold Fire" or any other episode of Voyager which even gives the slightest hint that Kes or any Ocampa are energy vampires in any way.
When Kes was under the enfluence of Tanis, she destroyed the plants by burning them, not sucking energy out of them.
Not to mention that a member of "The Gang Of Four", a bunch of incredibly rude and downright mean Kes/Lien-haters which I used to argue with on the startrek.com forum did present such a theory (or at least a similar one) on that forum in order to trash Kes and the Ocampa. That's another reason that I do find that theory utterly repulsive.
I'm not convinced that Q would take an interest in Kes, he seems to only be amused by annoying the captain.
I'm going to jump into this Kes discussion quickly. 1st off, I happened to like Kes, and I thought that her actress did a great job.
Now, we now a few things. The 1st is that most Ocompa live to be around 9, and that a select few lived to be 12. We also know from Fury, that Kes was old, and senile.
That said, we know that in season 4, that she was around 3 years old, which means that she was around 7 or 8 when the events in Fury took place. We can't determine if she has an increased life span, but I'm guessing not, though perhaps she gained 1-2 years because of the events with the 2nd caretaker.
As for the fans, and the critics, there are always going to be people that like, or don't like a character. It's no excuse to be rude, or mean, as everyone has their own likes and dislikes.
The idea of energy sucking is an interesting one. We already know that Kes can make the flowers grow with her kinetic power, so it would make sense that she could also steal their energy. Weather or not that would help prolong her life, we can't be curtin.
Honestly, I think that it would be best if she didn't live to much longer. Having seen my grandad go through dementia, it's not a life that I would wish on anyone for very long, especially someone as sweet as Kes.
As for Q, like I said before, I'm not sure that he would be interested in Kes, and even if he was, I'm not sure that even a Q has the power to prolong life.
Also, he could have sent the ship home, but Q is not exactly known for his generosity, though he does sometimes do the right thing.
Now, we now a few things. The 1st is that most Ocompa live to be around 9, and that a select few lived to be 12. We also know from Fury, that Kes was old, and senile.
That said, we know that in season 4, that she was around 3 years old, which means that she was around 7 or 8 when the events in Fury took place. We can't determine if she has an increased life span, but I'm guessing not, though perhaps she gained 1-2 years because of the events with the 2nd caretaker.
As for the fans, and the critics, there are always going to be people that like, or don't like a character. It's no excuse to be rude, or mean, as everyone has their own likes and dislikes.
The idea of energy sucking is an interesting one. We already know that Kes can make the flowers grow with her kinetic power, so it would make sense that she could also steal their energy. Weather or not that would help prolong her life, we can't be curtin.
Honestly, I think that it would be best if she didn't live to much longer. Having seen my grandad go through dementia, it's not a life that I would wish on anyone for very long, especially someone as sweet as Kes.
As for Q, like I said before, I'm not sure that he would be interested in Kes, and even if he was, I'm not sure that even a Q has the power to prolong life.
Also, he could have sent the ship home, but Q is not exactly known for his generosity, though he does sometimes do the right thing.
In "Cold Fire", Tanis states that his father lived to be 20 years old and that the technology to prolong life could be used for Kes as well.
The events in the insulting piece of crap episode in season 6 should not be taken seriously because the whole episode is full of flaws and made only to humiliate and destroy a beloved character and insult the fans of the character. A lot of things doesn't make sense there. Why should an energy being age if the whole purpose for reaching that state is some sort of afterlife and why should "Kes" return to corporeal statewhen she could do much more as an energy being?
And why should "Kes" want to destroy the ship and kill her friends? Anyone who have seen one single episode of Voyager with Kes as one of the main character knows that she is kind and good hearted and more likely should kill herself than to do any harm to her friends.
I would like to assume that the crazy, ugly creature which did show up in that horrible episode is Suspiria in disguise or some other evil being and definitely not the real Kes. That theory is a lot more plausible than the silly idea of the Ocampa as "energy vampires" since it has been presented in some of the Voyager books (who in fact are written by real authors, not clowns out for a cheap revenge on the Kes fans).
Kes never made flowers grow by kinetic power, she used the old traditional way with water and shining light in the Hydroponic Bay and she never stole energy from any plants either.
If you don't want to see someone as sweet as Kes suffer from dementia, then I guess you'll find my suggestions for the character excellent. Those suggestions would definitely postpone such an event for at least 70-80 years. Stating that "it would be best if Kes didn't didn't live too much longer" is like saying that "it would be best if B'Elanna was killed off as soon as possible sh she didn't have to become an old Klingon facing the disgrace of dying of illnes or old agen instead of on the battlefield".
As I've written before. Q is mosly known for his whims and since he made Riker omnipotent, he also has the capability to prolong life.
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