Oh, no no no no no, it would be that "Gilligan's Island" TV movie where they finally get off the island, then manage to get stranded back on it again. It would be a joke.
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How come noone talks about a Voyager reboot?
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Oh, no no no no no, it would be that "Gilligan's Island" TV movie where they finally get off the island, then manage to get stranded back on it again. It would be a joke.
Totally agreed. That was just lame.
Kes was a gret character who deserved better than to be dumped.
If it was about "lost potential", then they could have ended the series after season 4.
It's more dramaaaaaaaatic to destroooooooooooy them. Look at Kirk in GEN, to the point audiences were so upset that they made his death even dumber in a rewrite, complete with easy-pickins' pun about "captain on the bridge becomes bridge on the captain" (ugh).Dramatic deaths stop being epic when overdone, unless it's the series finale to an underrated little BBC sci-fi show that aired in 1981. Spoiler: Blake's 7, but I bet most of you already knew that.
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GEN was an insult to all fans of TOS and Captain Kirk.
Bringing back Kirk in such a ridiculous way just to destroy him.
The only bad character on Voyager was Chakotay, because of the disastrous choice the showrunners made for a Native American cultural advisor.
Or maybe because he was poorly written, poorly acted, and was with a cast that never really meshed together and didn't have much to work with. Maybe.
The writers gave Beltran plenty of chances IMO, he just refused to put any effort in every single time. They were right to basically stop writing for him and shift their focus elsewhere after a certain point.
A character like that is more valuable dead than alive, because you can milk their loss, and the fallout from it.
I remember once killing off one of my favorite characters in one of my stories. I mainly did it because he was an unwelcome third in a love triangle and there was no suitable other-woman to pair him with... but I actually got quite a bit of good story from his death.
Chakotay wasn't a bad character.
A great character with great potential played by a great actor but messed up by the clowns in charge of the show.
No, they didn't.
They more and less dumped him after season 3. Nemesis was the last good Chakotay episode.
The same with Paris, Torres, Neelix and Kim.
They decided to focus on their new favorite Seven with janeway and The Doctor as sidekicks.
I can imagine that Beltran was annoyed, shoved aside for the sexy newcomer and the hologram character when Chakotay was supposed to be Janeway's sidekick.
A fat one. He kept increasing his salary demands, figuring that they would sack him. But they gave him what he wanted.
Which he actually deserved after having to stand how his character was downgraded after season 3.
The show didn't suffer because of Beltran.
It suffered because of the clowns in charge of it.
This is the opposite of how I felt when I last rewatched it, Paris in particular blossoms from season four onward! The only character who really gets pushed to the sidelines is Tuvok, which sucks because Russ is superb and Tuvok's among the best characters.
Beltran visibly stopped trying by mid-season two. They tried all kinds of plots with him and every time he just turned in the most monotone, lifeless performances.
The first rule of VGR reboots is you don't talk about VGR reboots.
The second rule of VGR reboots is that you DO NOT talk about VGR reboots.
(And you still don't talk about Fight Club.)
Seriously, though, I liked VGR. Better than I liked DS9. Then again, I like Kate Mulgrew. I even liked her in "Mrs. Columbo." And from what I hear, she didn't like herself in "Mrs. Columbo."
The second rule of VGR reboots is that you DO NOT talk about VGR reboots.
(And you still don't talk about Fight Club.)
Seriously, though, I liked VGR. Better than I liked DS9. Then again, I like Kate Mulgrew. I even liked her in "Mrs. Columbo." And from what I hear, she didn't like herself in "Mrs. Columbo."
Kind of my point. If they were unwilling to use the character well, then eliminate him and be done with it. But the powers that be at VOY, the ones who didn't even think the fans could count off 38 torpedoes, thought that they needed to keep him around... but on the sidelines. As they did with Harry. And likely would have done with Kes if they'd kept Lien and eliminated Beltran or Wang.
No, first rule is don't reboot Voyager.
I really liked VOY in seasons 1, 2 and 3. For obvious reasons, I lost interest after that.
I never had the opportunity to watch DS9 before I started to watch Voyager. But after finally get the chance to see all seasons of DS9 in a row, it became my favorite.
I still like VOY, it's characters and the premise for the show. BNut watching both series nowadays, the VOY stories feels a bit thin compared to the DS9 stories. In fact, the VOY books from seasons 1,2 and 3 often feels more interesting than some of the episodes, especially books like The Black Shore and Marooned.
No, it would have been a waste to kill off Chakotay. It would have been better to fire Berman's gang.
Not to mention that it would have been another character destruction for me to be angry about. it's bad as it is now with Kes, Gowron and Garak.
I totally agree on one thing: No reboot!
I hate reboots!
That was on him. He never delivered, day one.
You think Patrick Stewart liked all the scripts in TNG, especially early on? He still delivered.
Jerry Goldsmith made a career out of scoring really bad films (mainly the first half of his career), but he put nothing less than his full effort into it, whether it was Damnation Alley or The Swarm.
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