How come noone talks about a Voyager reboot?

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Jerry Goldsmith made a career out of scoring really bad films, but he put nothing less than his full effort into it, whether it was Damnation Alley or The Sworm.

I wouldn't exactly say he made a career out of that. And I will also say that John Williams, especially in the early part of his career, scored his share of bovine scat films. Some of which (and this is undoubtedly true of Goldsmith and Horner as well) were so bad that the score was the only good thing about them.

 

[Greg Cox]

In the immortal words of Christopher Lee:

“Every actor has to make terrible films from time to time, but the trick is never to be terrible in them.”


(Meanwhile, it's a shame Lee's career never intersected with Trek.)

 

[Greg Cox]

I wouldn't exactly say he made a career out of that. And I will also say that John Williams, especially in the early part of his career, scored his share of bovine scat films. Some of which (and this is undoubtedly true of Goldsmith and Horner as well) were so bad that the score was the only good thing about them.

Indeed! Let it be noted that Goldsmith also scored such classics as the original Planet of the Apes, Alien, Chinatown, The Omen, Poltergeist, Gremlins, Total Recall, the Brendan Fraser version of The Mummy, etc.

As well as a truly lovely score for Voyager.

(Sorry for the double post, but it's been hours since my last post and nobody else has posted anything since.)

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

And The Secret of NIMH. And Horner did An American Tail, and David Newman (whose entire family are/were lifelong friends of John Williams) did Bluth's Anastasia.

 

[fireproof78]

Diminishing returns prevailing, what vision and mission statements exist for such a revival/sequel/continuation of VOY's era? (Wouldn't a reboot just keep the names and other superficial attributes but change core details into something different?)

Actually, a reboot as done by... well... not sure... I dunno... maybe Ronald D Moore. He could elevate VOY the same way he managed to be one of the few people who could do a reboot successfully with BSG... problem is, he vamoosed VOY early on and VOY should have been people of opposite viewpoints forced to work together, instead of becoming "incense and peppermints" and "shiny happy people" by episode freakin' four or whatever.... or what felt way faster than it should have. Dang drama...

Plus, it's easier to count the number of botched reboots over the successful ones. BSG is one that worked... I'm sure there's another, somewhere...

Wizard of Oz. Invisible Man has been done multiple times. Most monster films. Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, among others. Sherlock Holmes.

I welcome a Voyager reboot. It does not do any harm to the original. It might be follow through on the premise.

 

[Greg Cox]

Wizard of Oz. Invisible Man has been done multiple times. Most monster films. Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, among others. Sherlock Holmes.

I welcome a Voyager reboot. It does do any harm to the original. It might be follow through on the premise.

Amen. See also The Three Musketeers, Pride and Prejudice, A Christmas Carol, etc.

Stories are meant to be retold and reinvented over time. That’s just how it works.

 

[Lynx]

That was on him. He never delivered, day one.

You think Patrick Stewart liked all the scripts in TNG, especially early on? He still delivered.

Jerry Goldsmith made a career out of scoring really bad films (mainly the first half of his career), but he put nothing less than his full effort into it, whether it was Damnation Alley or The Swarm.

Beltran did deliver in seasons 1,2 and 3. Even in the very good episode Nemesis in season 4.
Unfortunately his character was limited by bad writers and stupid producers.

Wizard of Oz. Invisible Man has been done multiple times. Most monster films. Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, among others. Sherlock Holmes.

I welcome a Voyager reboot. It does not do any harm to the original. It might be follow through on the premise.

I would never watch a Voyager reboot, not even under gunpoint.
Not a TNG or DS9 reboot either.

Just look at the NuTrek movies! I mean the guy who played Chekov didn't even look like Chekov, he got the job for having a Russian name!

However, I feel sorry for the actor's recent death and he wasn't that bad as an actor. He just wasn't Chekov.

And the Batman movies are a joke!

I mean, The Joker, excellently played by Jack Nicholson is killed off in one movie. Why. one can wonder.

Then all of a sudden, The Joker is back, looking like some punk rocker with bad make-up and not as witty as Nicholson's Joker. How stupid! What a Joke! (No that was no pun from me!)

Just the thought of seeing some lousy 2020's actress with giant artificial lips play Kes in some stupid Voyager reboot makes me wanna throw up.

When it comes to TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY, I stick to the books. At least I can imagine the right characters in my head when I'm reading.

Unfortunately there are no more good Voyager books to read since I already got the good ones. But reading great books like The Black Shore and Marooned for the 100rd time gives me more entertainment than watching some meaningless "reboot".

And fortunately I have TOS, TNG, DS9 and the first three seasons of VOY on DVD.

 

[fireproof78]

I would never watch a Voyager reboot, not even under gunpoint.

*rereads the thread*
No one is asking you to and I asked everyone to put the guns away. Nicely.

And fortunately I have TOS, TNG, DS9 and the first three seasons of VOY on DVD.

A reboot would never change that.

 

[Lynx]

*rereads the thread*
No one is asking you to and I asked everyone to put the guns away. Nicely.


A reboot would never change that.

Just my feelings about reboots in common.

 

[fireproof78]

Just my feelings about reboots in common.

Reboots are a part of human storytelling and have been for millennia now. It's not going to change.

If a property is reboot the previous iteration stands. Those who prefer one can watch it and those who like the new can watch it. Or both. There's nothing wrong with reboots.

 

[Lynx]

Reboots are a part of human storytelling and have been for millennia now. It's not going to change.

If a property is reboot the previous iteration stands. Those who prefer one can watch it and those who like the new can watch it. Or both. There's nothing wrong with reboots.

Most of them are crappy.

Recently I "watched" some reboots of Walker Texas Ranger and Magnum PI. They were downright horrible. I turned off "Walker" after 15 minutes and "Magnum" after 20.

It was the same with the Spider-man movies. I actually liked the movies withTobey McGuire and Kirsten Dunst but when I watched the first one with other actors, I used my beloved switch-off button again.

Wouldn't it be better if those producers and writers tried to come up with something new and interesting or don't they have the skills to do that?

Sometimes they can't even save a show which once was good.

I remember when they brought CSI back to life. There were a lot of talks about it and I remember being happy thosee characters like Grissom, Sidle and the others back.

Then I saw that only one character from the original series was in that ned CSI and the rest of the characters were an uninteresting bunch of nobodys.

"What have they done to this series?" I thought.

And then we had PIC!

"Oh, my eyes they see but I can't believe
Oh, my heart is heavy as I turn my back and leave"

"Sea Of Madness"
Iron Maiden

 

[fireproof78]

Most of them are crappy.

Human history begs to differ. Wizard of Oz has like 8. Sherlock Holmes has a variety, plus a ton of Shakespeare retellings.

Wouldn't it be better if those producers and writers tried to come up with something new and interesting or don't they have the skills to do that?

No it wouldn't be better. It would just get compared to other art and complained about for trying to be like something done before.

Reboots are not really meant for old audiences who prefer the original.

 

[Lynx]

Human history begs to differ. Wizard of Oz has like 8. Sherlock Holmes has a variety, plus a ton of Shakespeare retellings.



No it wouldn't be better. It would just get compared to other art and complained about for trying to be like something done before.

Reboots are not really meant for old audiences who prefer the original.

But a society where everything is recycled over and over and over again and nothing new and interesting is ever made might stagnate.

 

[fireproof78]

But a society where everything is recycled over and over and over again and nothing new and interesting is ever made might stagnate.

Oh well.

Humans constantly look to the past as the good old days and lament the passing of time and how worse new things are so there seems limited interest in new.

 

[AntonyF]

Human history begs to differ. Wizard of Oz has like 8. Sherlock Holmes has a variety, plus a ton of Shakespeare retellings.

I do feel reboots/retellings whatever are easier if the core work doesn't feel like it belongs to one creative, or one group or one style.

Shakespeare has been retold a gazillion times. Sherlock Holmes has many variations but there's not really one definitive owner.

I think things like Star Trek will get more flack is because it has 25 years of TV that has created the 'core' of Trek, along with some films. So it's hard to reinvent that wheel.

If you did a Friends reboot it'd get a lot of negative feedback I feel. Or Stargate SG1. Where there's a strong body of work that people are attached to.

Spider-Man, Superman and Batman etc. probably a fall a bit in both camps, but they have readily changed it to keep that constant change, so that no one thing can become the 'right' thing. I mean there's been what three Superman leads in the last 15 or 20 years.

I think Trek is doing that a little bit, by going in lots of different directions now. As time goes on and more is pumped out it'll begin to erode, gradually, what Star Trek "is." Or what fans like me hold on to as the real Star Trek.

 

[tharpdevenport]

I disagree. I saw every episode of the series, most of them when they aired for the first time. And I've seen him in two or three other acting projects -- he sucks as an actor. Is he as bad of Takei and Walter? I wouldn't go quite that far, but he's not quite that far from them.

Bad writers and stupid producers as you say (I say there are some arguments to be made there, but that for another thread, another day!) are not always the problems. you can have a good writer(s), good producers, but a bad actor or a mediocre actor will remain the same -- very hard to squeeze acting blood from a turnip.
Case-in-point: one of what I consider to be the best episodes of the long-running "Gunsmoke" TV series, was a later season episode with a melodramatic name called "Matt Dillon Must die!"
All the cast did excellent jobs, especially actor Morgan Woodward who should have gotten at least an Emmy nomination for his work on the episode, and the dramatic edgy score that was clearly inspired by the episode, by Jerrold Immel. EXCEPT, one person, the son who looks "normal", he just delivered a wooden almost lifeless performance -- like Beltram -- which is especially dumbfounding when one of the most memorable scene of that episode has just two people in it, him (actor Joseph Hindy) and Woodward, with Woodward delivering like gangbusters, and the son, lifeless acting returns.

 

[Lynx]

Oh well.

Humans constantly look to the past as the good old days and lament the passing of time and how worse new things are so there seems limited interest in new.

Yes, it seems that way.

But it's easy to be nostalgic, especially in these times.


I mean, in the 90's we had three great series to watch: TNG, DS9 and VOY.

I remember watching other series too, like the CSI, CSI NY, CSI Miami, NCIS, NCIS LA, NCIS New Orleans, Stargate SG 1, Stargate Atlantis. There were good movies and good music too.


Today I only watch NCIS occasionally.

The tragic for Star Trek is that series like PIC, Section 31 and Starfleet Academy should have been made in the early 2000:s. There were so many loose ends from TNG, DS9 and VOY to follow up and do something about and back then we also had most of the actors from TNG, DS9 and VOY available for guest roles in those series.

Instead we got a retro series total chaos and a lot of crap.


Rebooting TNG, DS9 and VOY will only make things worse.

 

[fireproof78]

Rebooting TNG, DS9 and VOY will only make things worse.

It really won't.

The originals still exist. Give people some choices rather than saying there is only one way for art to be expressed.

 

[Lynx]

It really won't.

The originals still exist. Give people some choices rather than saying there is only one way for art to be expressed.

It will be like setting up a cover band version of Beatles with some third-rate musicians playing Beatles songs.

Or even worse since they will probably mess upp the original story in a typical 2020's fashion by focusing on the characters personal problems plus internal conflicts and love dramas which never happened in the original series, complete with some slow detailed torture scenes and a lot of blood and gore.

 

[fireproof78]

It will be like setting up a cover band version of Beatles with some third-rate musicians playing Beatles songs.

Or even worse since they will probably mess upp the original story in a typical 2020's fashion by focusing on the characters personal problems plus internal conflicts and love dramas which never happened in the original series, complete with some slow detailed torture scenes and a lot of blood and gore.

Drama is a part of Trek. Always has been and always will be going back to Pike. I welcome a variety, covers and reboots. Nothing's lost. The band analogy is poor.