What Do You Want To See? Star Trek Beyond

[martok2112]

I highly doubt that they're going to use Khan's superblood anymore.
Also, the "transwarp beaming" device was confiscated....and the effort to beam Kirk and Scotty onto the Enterprise from "impossible" distances and move rates was risky. I doubt they're going to use the transwarp beaming tech/ideas as a constant in the future.

Personal opinions only.... just like everyone else.

 

[Mach5]

and long range transporters were used as well ("Bloodlines").

Oh, a (shitty) TNG episode did it, so it's ok.

I once saw an episode of Voyager in which the ship's captain and the helm officer travel at the speed of God, then evolve into amphibian creatures and make amphibian babies. I suppose Star Trek Beyond could do something similar, because there's precedent for it in the almighty "Prime Universe"...

Dude...

 

[BillJ]

and long range transporters were used as well ("Bloodlines").

Oh, a (shitty) TNG episode did it, so it's ok.

I once saw an episode of Voyager in which the ship's captain and the helm officer travel at the speed of God, then evolve into amphibian creatures and make amphibian babies. I suppose Star Trek Beyond could do something similar, because there's precedent for it in the almighty "Prime Universe"...

Dude...

The point being that people are far more critical of things the Abrams movies do even though many of the things have been present for a long time in the Prime universe.

If anything breaks the universe, it would be being able to inhabit all points of it simultaneously. But I've never heard a peep about how Voyager broke the Star Trek universe.

 

[Mach5]

The point being that people are far more critical of things the Abrams movies do even though many of the things have been present for a long time in the Prime universe.

You are right about this, but don't you think nuTrek should be learning from old Trek's mistakes, instead of using them as an excuse to make even bigger ones?

If anything breaks the universe, it would be being able to inhabit all points of it simultaneously. But I've never heard a peep about how Voyager broke the Star Trek universe.

Yeah, that's probably because Voyager is not that relevant any more.

Also, the very concept of "breaking" the fictional universe is absurd. There's only good storytelling, and bad. And using McGuffins like transwarp beaming is the cinematic equivalent of using cheat codes in video games.

 

[BillJ]

You are right about this, but don't you think nuTrek should be learning from old Trek's mistakes, instead of using them as an excuse to make even bigger ones?

I'm not sure they qualify as mistakes though? This is the far future with advanced technology. The ability to bring people back from the dead is a long time device in fiction, not just Star Trek (heck, we do it now in real life). Transwarp beaming is a way to move people around but it doesn't necessarily mean that it is currently (or ever will be) the best way. We've seen all of two people moved twice over large distances and the energy cost could easily explain why it doesn't become far more common.

We've seen so much over the decades that would qualify as universe breaking if we took it seriously.

 

[HIjol]

Wouldnt mind seeing Alice Eve naked or damn near.

Um...no...

try again?

Friend HIjol,

There's no need to impose one's will. The way you've framed it, it sounds as if you're telling anyone who appreciates Alice Eve (and I certainly am one who does) "no, you're wrong! Do not mention it again!"

Different folk like or dislike things about Star Trek. It doesn't make them right or wrong.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

Friend Martok,

Thank you for your Post. Not what I meant, nor did I want to imply that she is not appreciable, nor that anyone who does is "wrong". I am glad you wrote, and I offfer sincere apologies all around, and to James T Kirk..

Gratefully,

HIjol

 

[fireproof78]

You are right about this, but don't you think nuTrek should be learning from old Trek's mistakes, instead of using them as an excuse to make even bigger ones?

I'm not sure they qualify as mistakes though? This is the far future with advanced technology. The ability to bring people back from the dead is a long time device in fiction, not just Star Trek (heck, we do it now in real life). Transwarp beaming is a way to move people around but it doesn't necessarily mean that it is currently (or ever will be) the best way. We've seen all of two people moved twice over large distances and the energy cost could easily explain why it doesn't become far more common.

We've seen so much over the decades that would qualify as universe breaking if we took it seriously.

This is my opinion as well. The idea of transwarp beaming was postulated in another episode and the incredible harm it would do to the body.

Regardless, I don't have a problem with Khan's "magic blood" or transwarp beaming because there are plenty of reasons for it to not be used in universe. Heck, the "magic blood" is based upon science that is used at the moment, so it isn't as hard for me to find plausible as other things in Star Trek.

Also, I don't understand the holding things over the movies head when other Trek series ignored ground breaking changes. At least these movies have acknowledged the changes and the implications.

The concept that starships are obsolete because of transwarp beaming is kind of shallow, because starships do more than just go from planet to planet. I mean, SG-1 had a transporter and they still built starships.

 

[Mach5]

This is my opinion as well. The idea of transwarp beaming was postulated in another episode and the incredible harm it would do to the body.

If you're talking about "Bloodlines", it wasn't really the same thing. And transwarp beaming was pretty much a crucial plot-driving element in both ST09 and STID. Without it, Kirk and Spock would have been left stranded on Delta Vega, and without it, Khan wouldn't have been able to carry out his plan.

The concept that starships are obsolete because of transwarp beaming is kind of shallow, because starships do more than just go from planet to planet. I mean, SG-1 had a transporter and they still built starships.

Didn't they basically build warships, for mainly defensive purposes?

 

[Sindatur]

Eh, the first Vorta captured in DS9 escaped by beaming away, when there was no ship in the vicinity that could have done the beaming.

There are numerous cases in Prime Trek of people being brought back from death, and Kirk (And the little girl) weren't really cured of death, they were dying, and their bodies were cured of what was killing them.

Even in the modern real world, people are brought back from being clinically dead for a short period of time, and blood can be used as an inoculate.

 

[BillJ]

Even in the modern real world, people are brought back from being clinically dead for a short period of time, and blood can be used as an inoculate.

Pfft. What does science have to do with nerd rage?

 

[Ryan8bit]

The reality of the situation is that we would probably develop such medical technologies long before being able to travel to the stars conveniently. But Star Trek isn't about the reality of the situation. If it were, there wouldn't be some medical secret that could only be unlocked by the blood of a person from centuries ago. That's just straight up fantasy. And that's fine so long as the fantasy rules stay more or less consistent. If someone dies, and someone mentions the blood, then they can just handwave away as to why it won't work in this case. That kind of handwaving is eternal in storytelling. That's not to say it's desirable for all, but it's present in even the best of Trek.

 

[Mach5]

Eh, the first Vorta captured in DS9 escaped by beaming away, when there was no ship in the vicinity that could have done the beaming.

For all we know, that was suicide, not a beam-out.

 

[martok2112]

Even in the modern real world, people are brought back from being clinically dead for a short period of time, and blood can be used as an inoculate.

Excellent points!

Pfft. What does science have to do with nerd rage?

Indeed!

 

[ichab]

Gorn

I think this race would look cool in a modern setting.

 

[Sindatur]

Even in the modern real world, people are brought back from being clinically dead for a short period of time, and blood can be used as an inoculate.

Pfft. What does science have to do with nerd rage?

OH...My BAD!!! I don't know what I must've been thinking

 

[eyeresist]

No lens flares.

As much as I would love this to be true the flares are part of the NuTrek "look" so they might be blinding us yet again.

I assume they'll keep the flares to be consistent, but tone them down a lot, as they have become a bit of a joke.

 

[fireproof78]

This is my opinion as well. The idea of transwarp beaming was postulated in another episode and the incredible harm it would do to the body.

If you're talking about "Bloodlines", it wasn't really the same thing. And transwarp beaming was pretty much a crucial plot-driving element in both ST09 and STID. Without it, Kirk and Spock would have been left stranded on Delta Vega, and without it, Khan wouldn't have been able to carry out his plan.

That is not the episode that I am thinking of, nor is my argument that it is or is not the same thing. The point that I am trying to make is that the concept has been introduced in Trek before, and ignored just as quickly

The concept that starships are obsolete because of transwarp beaming is kind of shallow, because starships do more than just go from planet to planet. I mean, SG-1 had a transporter and they still built starships.

Didn't they basically build warships, for mainly defensive purposes?

Sure, but that was due to a threat that the space shuttle cannot really counter. But, that didn't stop them from using their ships for transport, relocation, exploration, etc.

It's not like you can transwarp beam to a nebulae or a quasar to examine it, or counter an invasion from hostile space fleet. The development of transwarp beaming does not immediately exclude starships from use, or negate their purpose.

 

[RandyS]

Less stupid action
No Villain who wants to destroy Earth
An ending that restores the Prime Universe

Agreed all around.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Did anyone say corridors? Cos if anyone said corridors, they're in luck. Click!

 

[Mach5]

This is my opinion as well. The idea of transwarp beaming was postulated in another episode and the incredible harm it would do to the body.

If you're talking about "Bloodlines", it wasn't really the same thing. And transwarp beaming was pretty much a crucial plot-driving element in both ST09 and STID. Without it, Kirk and Spock would have been left stranded on Delta Vega, and without it, Khan wouldn't have been able to carry out his plan.

That is not the episode that I am thinking of, nor is my argument that it is or is not the same thing. The point that I am trying to make is that the concept has been introduced in Trek before, and ignored just as quickly

Yeah, that's exactly what I am talking about as well. They introduced the concept in ST09, and didn't ignore it at all, they instead reused it in the sequel.

Star Trek has introduced dozens of ridiculous concepts over the years, but all these concepts are absorbed, neutralized by the sheer number of episodes. It sorta gets lost in all the Star Trek. There's so much good stuff, there's really no need to dwell on the bad.

Movies are different, these are monster-budget worldwide releases that don't come out on the weekly basis. They're bound to be scrutinized in a different way.

I don't want to blow this thing out of proportion, though. I loved both ST09 and STID, despite the issues I have with them.