What Do You Want To See? Star Trek Beyond
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Yeah, that's exactly what I am talking about as well. They introduced the concept in ST09, and didn't ignore it at all, they instead reused it in the sequel.That is not the episode that I am thinking of, nor is my argument that it is or is not the same thing. The point that I am trying to make is that the concept has been introduced in Trek before, and ignored just as quickly
Star Trek has introduced dozens of ridiculous concepts over the years, but all these concepts are absorbed, neutralized by the sheer number of episodes. It sorta gets lost in all the Star Trek. There's so much good stuff, there's really no need to dwell on the bad.
Movies are different, these are monster-budget worldwide releases that don't come out on the weekly basis. They're bound to be scrutinized in a different way.
I don't want to blow this thing out of proportion, though. I loved both ST09 and STID, despite the issues I have with them.
I see your point, but I just don't see it as a problem. It is kind of my general opinion of Abrams Trek-it did things like all Star Treks had done before, it just did it bigger, louder and with more excitement (trademark pending).
They brought it back in the sequel because it made sense for the super secret Section 31 to absorb that tech for their own purposes. I kind of like the idea that the designs were lost in the Kelvin Archive explosion, and that Marcus basically made the device that Scotty found disappear. It feeds in to the narrative rather nicely, and I don't see Scotty sharing the formula again for some time.
I can see scrutinizing the movies in a different way, but I won't hold something against it that Trek has done several times in the past.
Yeah, that's exactly what I am talking about as well. They introduced the concept in ST09, and didn't ignore it at all, they instead reused it in the sequel.That is not the episode that I am thinking of, nor is my argument that it is or is not the same thing. The point that I am trying to make is that the concept has been introduced in Trek before, and ignored just as quickly
Star Trek has introduced dozens of ridiculous concepts over the years, but all these concepts are absorbed, neutralized by the sheer number of episodes. It sorta gets lost in all the Star Trek. There's so much good stuff, there's really no need to dwell on the bad.
Movies are different, these are monster-budget worldwide releases that don't come out on the weekly basis. They're bound to be scrutinized in a different way.
I don't want to blow this thing out of proportion, though. I loved both ST09 and STID, despite the issues I have with them.
I see your point, but I just don't see it as a problem. It is kind of my general opinion of Abrams Trek-it did things like all Star Treks had done before, it just did it bigger, louder and with more excitement (trademark pending).
They brought it back in the sequel because it made sense for the super secret Section 31 to absorb that tech for their own purposes. I kind of like the idea that the designs were lost in the Kelvin Archive explosion, and that Marcus basically made the device that Scotty found disappear. It feeds in to the narrative rather nicely, and I don't see Scotty sharing the formula again for some time.
I can see scrutinizing the movies in a different way, but I won't hold something against it that Trek has done several times in the past.
It is a silly concept designed to save time in the same way that when villains used it in the episodes it was a silly concept to save time. I'd rather none of them had ever used it. Beaming onto a ship at warp is fine, it was beaming onto a ship at warp that was light years away that I had more of a problem with.
But similarly, using hand-held communicators to talk to each other in real time when the characters are in different planetary systems was also a silly departure from previous tech limitations. If they are that good why didn't Kirk use one to communicate from Delta Vega with someone closer to the Laurentian system and get them to summon the fleet back to Earth?
Well, technically, the transporter was designed originally to save time and money, so Abrams Trek is in the spirit of TOS.
Again, nothing new to Trek.
And don't mistake me-do I wish that they had worked out something better for Khan's escape (transporting to a ship in orbit and then escaping), and limited the transwarp transporter use.
As for the communicators, I don't have a problem with Kirk not being able to talk with anyone, as the black hole and gravitational effects likely disrupted communication abilities.
Again, it really isn't anything new to Trek, and no grievous issue that limits my enjoyment of the films.
Gene would have approved.
But these days we need equal opportunity nekkidness. Which we did in fact have (Chris Pine in his undies with the green chick), but you didn't notice. Because you're a homophobe!
http://www.thebacklot.com/the-shirtless-evolution-of-chris-pine/08/2014/2/
Apparently there was a deleted scene of NuKhan in the shower. Don't know if that's on the blu? I only have the DVD. Anyway, there's a gif of it here:
http://www.justjared.com/2013/05/22/benedict-cumberbatch-shirtless-shower-scene-for-star-trek/
Also:
Zoe Saldana Wants Chris Pine, John Cho Shirtless in "Star Trek 2"
Wasn't that direction in a memo to Theiss at one point?
But these days we need equal opportunity nekkidness. Which we did in fact have (Chris Pine in his undies with the green chick), but you didn't notice. Because you're a homophobe!
http://www.thebacklot.com/the-shirtless-evolution-of-chris-pine/08/2014/2/
Apparently there was a deleted scene of NuKhan in the shower. Don't know if that's on the blu? I only have the DVD. Anyway, there's a gif of it here:
http://www.justjared.com/2013/05/22/benedict-cumberbatch-shirtless-shower-scene-for-star-trek/
Also:
Zoe Saldana Wants Chris Pine, John Cho Shirtless in "Star Trek 2"
I liked the shower scene. I think Abrams showed that in an interview when someone commented on Alice Eve's scene and he offered the shower scene as rebuttal.
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I'm not sure it was ever determined that the scene was anything more than a gag for Conan O'Brien's show when JJ appeared.
Starborn Dragon
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I'd like to see it focus on doing a survey of how much damage the Hobus star did to the galaxy, what it's real extent is, and if there are any survivors, with a few mysterious anomalies thrown in to solve. Something that involves real exploration, which is something Star Trek got away from.
The Hobus star won't be going super special nova for two hundred years so there is no damage to study in STB. Finding out why the star will explode would be a better idea. But that's a job better suited for a science ship than the Enterprise.
Exploration is just the impetus for Star Trek to encounter weird stuff and problems. It rarely about cataloging plants and animals or planting a flag.
Starborn Dragon
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Yeah, but with that there are potential problems that could arise.
You know, here's another idea. are you familiar with the FASA Star Trek pen and paper role playing game?
They published several adventures. Maybe you could get a hold of them and read them and adapt some of them.
But another thing I would really like to see if yours is set in the Kirk era, is a war with either the Klingons or the Romulans or both.
or maybe even a telling of the First Contact with Cardassia.
I agree with Kirk's Tribble about wanting the classic "Space the final frontier..." monologue as the opening to the credits, but with an introduction scene starting with a Captains Log entry. I would also hope that the film starts part way through the five year mission, just as the Enterprise is due to pass beyond previously explored space (I'm hoping this is where the working title gets its name, and wouldn't mind the name staying if that was the case).
Also, how about Lt. Kyle being introduced (whether or not that is the character Chris Doohan was meant to be).
Perhaps Lt. Kyle could even be gay as don't believe his sexuality is known in the prime universe and we would then have an established character taking on this first. I agree with others that this sort of thing would be better done on TV than the big screen, but really it ought to have been done in TNG. (I think I remember reading that at one point there was a plan to establish Geordi as gay, but obviously that never happened).
As for how to treat it as the non-issue that it should be, I think the easiest way would be to have Kirk officiating at his wedding. Being the first human wedding so far from Earth could even be the focus of the ceremony to help normalise same sex couples 'in universe'.
Also, how about Lt. Kyle being introduced (whether or not that is the character Chris Doohan was meant to be).
Perhaps Lt. Kyle could even be gay as don't believe his sexuality is known in the prime universe and we would then have an established character taking on this first. I agree with others that this sort of thing would be better done on TV than the big screen, but really it ought to have been done in TNG. (I think I remember reading that at one point there was a plan to establish Geordi as gay, but obviously that never happened).
As for how to treat it as the non-issue that it should be, I think the easiest way would be to have Kirk officiating at his wedding. Being the first human wedding so far from Earth could even be the focus of the ceremony to help normalise same sex couples 'in universe'.
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I think that would be a great way to kick off the movie. I can imagine a couple of gags about the let-down after they cross the border and nothing remarkable happens. But then the mysterious phenomenon hinted at in the teaser sneaks up to kick them in the ass.
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