What Do You Want To See? Star Trek Beyond

[fireproof78]

That wasn't really my point, though I appreciate the information.

I will do whatever it takes to promote Outland!
Though it also relates to the gay visibility issue, showing that the issue can remain problematic even with a well-known gay showrunner.

Agreed that it can be problematic. I just noted a possibly scenario in which it could work, without grand exposition. I think it should be texture of the character's background, not the focal point.

Obviously, DW messed it up in several ways, and Torchwood was even worse, in my opinion. But, there were some difinite bright spots.

 

[eyeresist]

Obviously, DW messed it up in several ways, and Torchwood was even worse, in my opinion. But, there were some definite bright spots.

Technically Captain Jack is omnisexual, but he is an example of a queer character in a major sci-fi franchise whose appearance didn't cause the sky to fall, and who actually became a fan favourite.

Could Star Trek have its Captain Jill?

 

[Trekkin]

That wasn't really my point, though I appreciate the information.

I will do whatever it takes to promote Outland!
Though it also relates to the gay visibility issue, showing that the issue can remain problematic even with a well-known gay showrunner.

Agreed that it can be problematic. I just noted a possibly scenario in which it could work, without grand exposition. I think it should be texture of the character's background, not the focal point.

Obviously, DW messed it up in several ways, and Torchwood was even worse, in my opinion. But, there were some difinite bright spots.

Torchwood and a Doctor Who did handle bisexuality better than most shows. The characters weren't straight people experimenting, or gay people in denial. It's just Tosh and Ianto happen to be attracted to both sexes, though mostly err towards the opposite.

Except for having to turn the Master into a woman before making the attraction to the Doctor anything more than fanwank. That timing was...unfortunate.

It's still a million steps above something like Glee.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

I looked forward to John deLancie joining the show, but then they reduced him to the British idea of an American authority figure, one who spouted curse words more than definite articles for no real reason. Because, y'know, adults.

I did not realize Peter Capaldi was playing an American here:
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfiEK3Ovv5o[/yt]

 

[Cyke101]

I looked forward to John deLancie joining the show, but then they reduced him to the British idea of an American authority figure, one who spouted curse words more than definite articles for no real reason. Because, y'know, adults.

I did not realize Peter Capaldi was playing an American here:

That's different. The Thick of It/In the Loop handled casual swearing much more effectively (and humorously, and intentionally, and better) than Torchwood, which seemed to throw swear words in there for the sake of taking up space and acting tough.

The difference here between John deLancie's character and Malcolm Tucker is that one pretends to be tough, and one is actually tough. And the one I'm betting on is the guy who went toe-to-toe with General James Gandolfini and got away with it.

It also helps that Malcolm Tucker's creator also writes for American TV as well, so getting the nuances and styles down is easier to do.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Zoe Saldana doing the fan dance from ST 5.

Straight-up, flat-out, NO. The media and most women would have a field day worse than what happened in Into Darkness with the Carol Marcus scene.

As for what I want from the next movie:

*An original script/story from the new writers, or an adaptation of an existing Star Trek novel or even a comic book story (like the current Star Trek comic book story 'Eurydice')-if Marvel can adapt a comic book story into a movie, then so can Star Trek.

* An expanded role for John Cho and Karl Urban in the movie.

That's all I can think of, more next time.

Actually I wouldn't mind a fan dance with Saldana. It would make me forget the awful one done by a near 60 Nichelle Nichols back in 89.

 

[Kor]

I want something cerebral along the lines of 2001 or (more recently) Interstellar.

Kor

 

[RAMA]

I pretty much already got what i wanted from the JJ movies: scale, epic moviemaking, solidly real FX and background, thinking out of the box in changing the universe (Ie: Vulcan destroyed, Spock and Uhura)

 

[Mach5]

I want to see Klingons. Different kinds of Klingons. I wish they brought back some of the unused ST2009 designs.

Also, Romulans. Tatooed, non-tatooed, ridged, flat-foreheaded...

And Andorians! For the love of God, Andorians!

Also, no Alice Eve.

 

[martok2112]

Also, no Alice Eve.

Wash yer' mouth out with soap!

 

[Mach5]

Also, no Alice Eve.

Wash yer' mouth out with soap!

OK, I'll bite. What is it that makes you want to see her again in Beyond?

What 'character traits' do you think made her version of Carol Marcus a worthy addition to the crew, and what about her acting performance made her a worthy addition to the cast?

 

[Kirk's Tribble]

"Star Trek Beyond".

These are just some thoughts and ideas that I have. I already love the first two alternate reality films.

I want a character to reference that the prime reality is still continuing. Something like, "the timeline the other Spock arrived from still runs parallel to this one".

Also make mention that the original James T. Kirk was born in Iowa and other such prime reality mentions.

Perhaps a cameo from an older Jonathan Archer, even perhaps seeing Scotty and sharing a glare about his Beagle (which would now be with him). He is 147 by 2259, but it's still possible.

Maybe not in this film, but if there is a fourth or fifth, a return to the uniforms (more advanced and updated) from "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan".

Have the opening narration (Space...the final frontier...) begin the film, maybe, as a reference to the 50th anniversary and have the titles at the beginning of the film, like the series.

The return of Sarek, reuniting with Spock and showing New Vulcan. Perhaps even a recreation of Kirk vs. Spock in "Amok Time" fashion.

A full Captain's log from Kirk. There was to be one in "Star Trek Into Darkness", but it ended up a deleted scene.

Show George Samuel Kirk, maybe even Winona Kirk.

Show Kirk beat Spock at three-dimensional chess. Make the bridge look more like the series, the command chair as well, but updated. Begin the Kirk and Carol Marcus love story. Give Scotty the mustache.

The return of the classic dress uniforms and the wraparound tunic for Kirk.

At least a two-hour runtime.

 

[Mach5]

Re: "Star Trek Beyond".

I want a character to reference that the prime reality is still continuing. Something like, "the timeline the other Spock arrived from still runs parallel to this one".

You already got that in ST XI. The creation of an "alternate reality" was explicitly stated.

Also make mention that the original James T. Kirk was born in Iowa and other such prime reality mentions.

Random insertions of bits and pieces of irrelevant trivia is called "fan service". STID had plenty of it (Ketha province?). It's not necessarily considered a good thing.

Perhaps a cameo from an older Jonathan Archer, even perhaps seeing Scotty and sharing a glare about his Beagle (which would now be with him). He is 147 by 2259, but it's still possible.

I'd like that too. In fact, Archer should have been present at Kirk's Kobayashi Maru hearing. His age is completely irrelevant. Have you seen Interstellar? Archer could have spent decades on a planet orbiting a singularity on one of his missions as well.

Maybe not in this film, but if there is a fourth or fifth, a return to the uniforms (more advanced and updated) from "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan".

If indeed there is a fourth, or a fifth film, a uniform redesign is IMO pretty much a safe bet. I don't believe they'll go back to TWOK designs, though.

They brilliantly redid Kirk's white admirals' uniform from TMP, though. A similar reimagining of the TWOK red duty uniform could be neat, if done right... But I don't see it happening, honestly.

Have the opening narration (Space...the final frontier...) begin the film, maybe, as a reference to the 50th anniversary and have the titles at the beginning of the film, like the series.

Nah

The return of Sarek, reuniting with Spock and showing New Vulcan.

YES!

Perhaps even a recreation of Kirk vs. Spock in "Amok Time" fashion.

No. No reason to recycle old story lines. Not again.

Make the bridge look more like the series, the command chair as well, but updated.

The iBridge is already too sparkly as is.

 

[martok2112]

Also, no Alice Eve.

Wash yer' mouth out with soap!

OK, I'll bite. What is it that makes you want to see her again in Beyond?

What 'character traits' do you think made her version of Carol Marcus a worthy addition to the crew, and what about her acting performance made her a worthy addition to the cast?

She's an intelligent and capable officer and scientist. ... she's a risk taker. She knows what is needed in a given situation. Despite her deception, she proved she was not her father's daughter.

Alice Eve's performance was spot on for a young and driven Carol Marcus. She is not the old, tired Marcus from TWOK. This Carol Marcus is full of life, and driven in her work, (complimentary to the young and driven James T. Kirk as portrayed by Chris Pine) and I think can prove to be a valuable asset to Kirk's crew.

Now, since you've taken me to task on why I liked/preferred this version of Carol Marcus, you can prove to me that your reasons for disliking her do not fall into the usual tripe of the oh so dreaded "space undies" scene. (My jab of "wash yer mouth out with soap" was nothing more than a friendly jest... if you could not tell by my smiley that followed it.)

 

[Mach5]

She's an intelligent and capable officer and scientist. ... she's a risk taker. She knows what is needed in a given situation.

Too bad we saw very little of that on screen.

you can prove to me that your reasons for disliking her do not fall into the usual tripe of the oh so dreaded "space undies" scene.

I didn't mind the space undies scene in STID just like I didn't mind those decon scenes in ENT.

 

[martok2112]

She's an intelligent and capable officer and scientist. ... she's a risk taker. She knows what is needed in a given situation.

Too bad we saw very little of that on screen.

you can prove to me that your reasons for disliking her do not fall into the usual tripe of the oh so dreaded "space undies" scene.

I didn't mind the space undies scene in STID just like I didn't mind those decon scenes in ENT.

Well, it's a good thing we both simply have opinions which cannot be mistaken for facts.

Also, it's a good thing I don't presume to speak for others with the "we" word. I only speak for myself.

 

[Kirk's Tribble]

I know.

You already got that in ST XI. The creation of an "alternate reality" was explicitly stated.

I know, but this would prove that it's an alternate reality and the prime timeline is still continuing, as a lot of people still debate that.

Maybe it could even be Sarek mentioning that to Spock, as something that the prime Spock had told him during their first meeting (if they met on New Vulcan between films, or something, with prime Spock saying something along the lines of, "I am your son, but I came from a parallel timeline").

 

[Mach5]

Also, it's a good thing I don't presume to speak for others with the "we" word. I only speak for myself.

There are over twenty five thousand people registered here. It's safe to assume that at least a couple of them share my opinion.

 

[martok2112]

Also, it's a good thing I don't presume to speak for others with the "we" word. I only speak for myself.

There are over twenty five thousand people registered here. It's safe to assume that at least a couple of them share my opinion.

Oh, surely safe to say.
But they can speak for themselves, yes?

I do not misunderstand your object. It's just that the way you frame it, it sounds as if you speak for all of Trek fandom. I'm not trying to be cruddy toward you or anything. You have your opinion, which I respect, and I have mine. I just find discussions more effective when one speaks for themselves, regardless if it is shared by a few (or a great many) others.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

And Andorians! For the love of God, Andorians!

+ 1

Also, no Alice Eve.

+ 1,000,000