I just want another Star Trek movie as fun as Beyond. And I want a new kind of antagonist.
What do you want to see in Star Trek 4?
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Based on 43,000+ votes, Beyond is averaging a 4.1/5 score on Rotten Tomatoes. I'd say that is fairly positive...
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Meh, so many movies these days don't do one. Hell, it's getting to the point that only Bond movies have opening credits.
Wasn't this basically what they did with the TOS movies? "Well that action flick was tough to make, let's go small this time and make things easier." "Oh, no, it's not making money! Do an action one this time." All this resulted in was creating the myth that only the even numbered movies were good and the odd movies are automatically crap.
Somehow, I don't think Paramount will want to risk provoking Harlan Ellison.
So the unwashed masses don't understand Pure Star Trek? Their loss.
Don't get too wrapped up in the lore. No mid-life crises. No crises of conscience. No questions of purpose. No family issues. No destroyed or battered within an inch of it life Enterprise. No hell-bent-on-something-for-some-personal-reason villain who's psyche is all screwed up. (No vengeance or "get back ats," either.) No fist fights. No V-Ger, Khan, or Edison types of revealers (people or things not being what they seem is a trite sci-fi trope). Let the story hang on a moral issue that drives the conflict and the decisions the crew must make.
This cast is in its prime. That won't last long. Let's see the characters at their best in theirs while we can.
And you know what? What would be the problem with a Kirk v. Klingons story? Why do we ignore the obvious and most classic antagonist? I want Klingons. Kang. Koloth. Bring 'em on!
This cast is in its prime. That won't last long. Let's see the characters at their best in theirs while we can.
And you know what? What would be the problem with a Kirk v. Klingons story? Why do we ignore the obvious and most classic antagonist? I want Klingons. Kang. Koloth. Bring 'em on!
IMO, STID should have been about the Klingons. There's so much more they would have brought to the movie than remaking TWOK did. Hell, they could have still cast Cumberbatch and have the Klingons be more cerebral, like they were in TOS. Bu no, Lindelof needed Khan.
Oh, c'mon. Really? You'd be sick of real 2260s TOS-era Klingons? Honor, shmonor! I'm not talking about the prune juice drinkers. I mean the kind of Klingons you never turn your back on. The ruthless Klingons. Dead man's boots Klingons. The conniving Klingons. Opportunistic Klingons. Take-no-prisoners Klingons. Bad-ass not afraid to call Captain Robau a sissy to his face Klingons. The, "Yes, I pierced my forehead ridge and laughed at the pain while it was being done," Klingons. The kind that screw an eyepatch on. The coldest of the cold warriors. Raw meat Klingons. The spit on the Federation flag Klingons. The one and only true match for Captain Kirk on almost every level in their own way. That's what I'm talking about. They need their moment. And in my other post, how could I have forgotten, Kor?Because the modern shows beat the Hell out of them. I am so sick of Klingons.
A Klingon story might be the easiest way to market the next film to the largest possible audience.
Put the word "Klingon" in the title and it would be widely recognized throughout pop culture. Never had that word in a title before either.
I'd want the villain to be really well cast and intelligently written though. No TFF Klingon adversary.
Put the word "Klingon" in the title and it would be widely recognized throughout pop culture. Never had that word in a title before either.
I'd want the villain to be really well cast and intelligently written though. No TFF Klingon adversary.
Hell yeah!
It really depends on how many films are planned, actually. If they are going for 6 films, like the original crew, then I think I would like to see one more film where the crew faces a new threat and new enemy.
If it's going to be a Klingon story, it should really be a Klingon story. They can't just be a backdrop because the brand is too big. It won't work.
Something like the Enterprise exploring deep space and finding a string of worlds being forcefully colonized by the Empire. Show us how they invade and conquer through violence. Make the Empire seem dangerous, not just to our heroes but to the entire corner of the galaxy.
Something like we see the Empire colonize a civilization or two, the Enterprise must help the next peaceful world from suffering Klingon annexation.
Something like the Enterprise exploring deep space and finding a string of worlds being forcefully colonized by the Empire. Show us how they invade and conquer through violence. Make the Empire seem dangerous, not just to our heroes but to the entire corner of the galaxy.
Something like we see the Empire colonize a civilization or two, the Enterprise must help the next peaceful world from suffering Klingon annexation.
I'm liking the idea of a Mirror Universe film.
And by that I mean an ALL-Mirror-Universe film. No crossovers of any kind with the regular one.
And by that I mean an ALL-Mirror-Universe film. No crossovers of any kind with the regular one.
Wouldn't that just be a waste of a movie?
Wow some good interesting suggestions here. I think a budgetcut wouldactually help the next film. TMP went way overbudget and the reduced TWOK budget back very significant. But it helped the film and made everyone involve contribute on ways to make a good film with a limited resources.
The mirror universe is a good idea but i think since we in a alternate reality anyways they wont go that route. But it would be good if they did it right. Im so tired of klingons but they are well known and a good marketing point. I say no time travel. We kinda had a little of that in the 09 film.
How about like someone else mentioned and a plague that mcCoy & co. Have to figure out. Maybe the plague turns everyone into zombies and its up to scotty to save the day. Haha.
Seriously they should do an original story and nothing that originated in the TOS show n the movies. We already seen the romulans, klingons n Khan. Perhaps something good dealing with the greenhouse effect concerning a planet?
I wouldnt mind seeing the klingons again after 4. They need a little bit of a break imo. Although i do like the idea someone mentioned about the empire conquering worlds n kirk & co. Having to deal with that. The crew seeing these planets and how peoples on them are treated would be interesting and different. That would be good f 5.
Im just tired of the villian wants revenge plot. Even though 5 was considered bad f a lot of people and to an extant INS was too at least they tried to do something a little different.
Filming 4 & 5 together might be beneficial with a shooting schedule. Its gonna get harder to bring the cast back n back again. Leave 4 with a somewhat subplot that leads into 5. What they shouldnt do is use any older episodes or films f inspiration on the next film. Make it original. No doomsday please. But using old characters from the show is cool. They just need a fresher plot to keep the trek films going.
For some reason i like the idea of Mudd if done the right way. But if they use mudd they would have to make the prologue about the mudd incident mentioned in ITD. That would be cool.
There just so much they can do. I wouldnt mind more backstory on mccoy n scotty either f the next film. How was their lives before starfleet? How about mccoys daughter? Anyways no revenge type plot. Make the villian(s) have their own agenda instead of revenge and a super weapon. And yes keep it away from earth too. The general audience also will not care too much about starfleet politics. Keep that all at a minimum. How about more of a horror themed trek with suspense?
The mirror universe is a good idea but i think since we in a alternate reality anyways they wont go that route. But it would be good if they did it right. Im so tired of klingons but they are well known and a good marketing point. I say no time travel. We kinda had a little of that in the 09 film.
How about like someone else mentioned and a plague that mcCoy & co. Have to figure out. Maybe the plague turns everyone into zombies and its up to scotty to save the day. Haha.
Seriously they should do an original story and nothing that originated in the TOS show n the movies. We already seen the romulans, klingons n Khan. Perhaps something good dealing with the greenhouse effect concerning a planet?
I wouldnt mind seeing the klingons again after 4. They need a little bit of a break imo. Although i do like the idea someone mentioned about the empire conquering worlds n kirk & co. Having to deal with that. The crew seeing these planets and how peoples on them are treated would be interesting and different. That would be good f 5.
Im just tired of the villian wants revenge plot. Even though 5 was considered bad f a lot of people and to an extant INS was too at least they tried to do something a little different.
Filming 4 & 5 together might be beneficial with a shooting schedule. Its gonna get harder to bring the cast back n back again. Leave 4 with a somewhat subplot that leads into 5. What they shouldnt do is use any older episodes or films f inspiration on the next film. Make it original. No doomsday please. But using old characters from the show is cool. They just need a fresher plot to keep the trek films going.
For some reason i like the idea of Mudd if done the right way. But if they use mudd they would have to make the prologue about the mudd incident mentioned in ITD. That would be cool.
There just so much they can do. I wouldnt mind more backstory on mccoy n scotty either f the next film. How was their lives before starfleet? How about mccoys daughter? Anyways no revenge type plot. Make the villian(s) have their own agenda instead of revenge and a super weapon. And yes keep it away from earth too. The general audience also will not care too much about starfleet politics. Keep that all at a minimum. How about more of a horror themed trek with suspense?
If we get Klingons I want Kor, Kang, and Koloth to serve as models for the series. Discard the entire TNG understanding and character of the lobster-headed biker samurai that eat things alive. No, I want my Klingons to be hostile (Kang), controlled (Kor), and witty (Koloth), but not in any flamboyant way. Rather than wave a dagger in your face or show teeth while toasting over bloodwine, I'd like a casual reminder that the mind sifter is a drastic, but useful tool while philosophizing with fellow imperialists. I don't want my Klingons to be animals, I want them to be warriors I can respect for their intelligence, drive, and casual disregard for alien life.
I am very tired of the TNG archetype of Klingons. One of the reasons I was very happy the prime universe was put in the past.
that would be kinda cool. sorta what they did with all three lotr and the hobbit movies and 2 and 3 of the pirates of the Caribbean movies.
If star trek series get a good performance, the next movie could be a transition to new cast. The current cast is too expensive.
I believe that will be the last movie with this cast. I think Paramount wants to expand and explore the franchise like Disney with Marvel.
If star trek series don´t get a good performance, or they are going to reboot (again) or they are going to give it a rest.
I believe that will be the last movie with this cast. I think Paramount wants to expand and explore the franchise like Disney with Marvel.
If star trek series don´t get a good performance, or they are going to reboot (again) or they are going to give it a rest.
Worked for "In A Mirror, Darkly", didn't it?
I don't think they'll be that expensive in Hollywood terms. Pine Saldama and Urban aren't A listers, Quinto has transitioned from a TV actor but again is probably 'reasonable' as is Pegg, and Cho ?
The TOS movies got better after they cut the budget. They went big on TMP (46M Budget), then cut the budget for TWOK down to 11M.
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