What do we know for sure? Or almost sure?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Discofan, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. Soong-type Android

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    On the contrary. I think drawing the inference from Patrick Stewart's remarks that Picard will be a very different person it is fair to conclude this depiction will in all likelihood prove to be as divisive as that of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi.
     
  2. ScottJ85

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    And nothing in Luke Skywalker’s portrayal in The Last Jedi was in any way inconsistent with the original trilogy. Unless you’re more familiar with the EU’s absurd parody of Luke.

    Likewise, I’m sure Picard would be a very different person years down the track from having commanded a starship, but that won’t necessarily be inconsistent with TNG.

    edit: just re-read this, and it makes me sound like an argumentative asshole. Not my intention, sorry if I come across that way.
     
  3. Soong-type Android

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    I've watched every episode, but find the quippy, MCU style dialogue grating and the action adventure over sci-fi vibe ill suiting to Star Trek. Many of the characters are bland, under developed and under utilised.

    So, all in all I find many flaws in it but still watch it.
     
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  4. ScottJ85

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    Fair enough, I think this is one of those “agree to disagree” situations.
     
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    Some fans liked this interpretation of the character others hated it. I thought it was the more interesting aspect of the film over the resistance ships running out of fuel part.

    Suffice to say I can see a similar divide among Trek fans when this Picard show comes out later in the year. Expect to see angry neck beards with toys in the background posting videos on YouTube raging that "SJWs ruined Jean-Luc Picard".
     
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  6. ScottJ85

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    Ahh, yeah I get what you mean now.

    Luke was certainly divisive, but let's face it, the usual suspects are going to be very angry about "SJWs ruined Star Trek !!!" regardless. Personally, what I'd like to see is some totally unexpected development of Picard's character, but development that makes sense if you think about it.
     
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    So ... like TNG? :-D

    Alright, I'm curious now, though completely uninterested in reading the EU: how was Luke different in these books?
     
  8. Soong-type Android

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    No idea, never read them. But from what I can gather he got married in the books and successfully rebuilt the Jedi Order.
     
  9. seigezunt

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    Okay. Somebody above called it a "parody" so I assumed it was bad.
     
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    I liked the EU version of Luke, especially by the end of Fate of the Jedi. He'd been through a lot, but he wasn't the burned out fresh milk obsessed wreck of a man that TLJ left us with. I did not like the characterization at all. I can only call it Luke Without Mara Jade.

    Steering this back to the subject at hand: it's ok to develop characters and let them grow but you run the risk of taking a steaming fresh dump on an audience that doesn't appreciate it (but being Star Wars viewers will just wipe it off and come back for more) when you decide it will be cool to be all iconoclast like Rian Johnson, whatever his creative reasons were, and go out of your way to shake up a franchise in all the wrong ways.

    I know some feel that that happened with Season 1 of Discovery and certainly it WAS a shakeup, but I think they were very careful avoid damaging anything that was deemed to sacred, apart from some Fullerisms that could not be fixed. Those things were addressed later and were well done. Both seasons work well together, I am finding on rewatch.

    The Picard series will have the benefit of that risk already having been done, but more importantly, by having an actor, Stewart, who will be instrumental in how his iconic character is portrayed rather than apparently being ignored and misused as was the case recently with Hamill.
     
  11. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

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    As is tradition, at this point.
     
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  12. Discofan

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    A parody is only good if it is done on purpose.
     
  13. ScottJ85

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    Yeah I was the one who called it parody, and in retrospect it was probably not fair of me to do so.
     
  14. Discofan

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    Not just in retrospect... :D
     
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    We really don't know anything about season three of Discovery? We know they entered a time vortex, but they could be headed anywhere. Including Burnham somehow having to take the place of Jesus to make the timeline right.
     
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  16. Discofan

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    That means about half the men in Italy right now.:guffaw:

    I think we're gonna need a last name on that one.