I've noticed that unlike other Star Trek series DS9 appears not to have any annoying cliches. But perhaps I'm just not that familiar with the series. What are the cliches of DS9? What continuing things got on your goat? I don't mean something that happened in an individual episode, but something that kept coming up in the series.
What cliches and annoyances does DS9 have?
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1. Jadzia's pre-Worf episodes were always the weakest link
2. Kira's Shakaar romance was pretty unneccessary.
3. Some season 1 and 2 episodes were taken from unused TNG scripts
4. The crew stopped visiting the Gamma Quadrant in the later seasons and stayed in the Alpha Quadrant when the show was founded on the premise that it would use the wormhole to explore the Gamma Quadrant. This is understandable since they didn't want to provoke the Dominion, but still they could have devised a reason to have some more episodes take place in the Gamma Quadrant.
5. Jake Sisko was very much underused, and they never presented any father/son conflicts on the show.
Anyway, thats my 2 cents. I think it's hard to find too many flaws with the show because I love it so much, but if I had to choose, those would be the flaws that I would point out.
2. Kira's Shakaar romance was pretty unneccessary.
3. Some season 1 and 2 episodes were taken from unused TNG scripts
4. The crew stopped visiting the Gamma Quadrant in the later seasons and stayed in the Alpha Quadrant when the show was founded on the premise that it would use the wormhole to explore the Gamma Quadrant. This is understandable since they didn't want to provoke the Dominion, but still they could have devised a reason to have some more episodes take place in the Gamma Quadrant.
5. Jake Sisko was very much underused, and they never presented any father/son conflicts on the show.
Anyway, thats my 2 cents. I think it's hard to find too many flaws with the show because I love it so much, but if I had to choose, those would be the flaws that I would point out.
I adore DS9. But... The Ferengi usage annoyed me in one way. They were the comic lightenss to counteract the war, and were wheeled out when they wanted to lighhten things up. And I hated how they were offensive because they weren't human, and the writers basically gutted their race to make them more Human.
Well, it could sometimes veer towards melodrama.
DOMINION: We are the almighty, invincible, unstoppable Dominion. Marvel at this by-the-numbers pulp sci-fi arc involving the invincible alien foe who are menacing for a long time and then, when we are finally being conclusively beaten by the good guys, inlist the aid of another menacing alien foe, the Breen. created almost out of whole cloth for the occassion. Bwahahahaha!
I didn't think the Dominion were all that interesting until Weyoun showed up and the Cardassians were made members. Odo's relationship to the Founders had its plus points but on the whole his relationship to his Cardassian past was more interesting. Here's some more.
SISKO: Dukat is pure evil. And just in case you, the viewer, don't understand that statement, he will be wearing red eyes and worshipping an evil devil god who I, as an agent of the Prophets, will fight for the good gods and win in a pseudo-religious Manichean battle, ha ha ha ha. Nuance was getting boring.
DOMINION: We are the almighty, invincible, unstoppable Dominion. Marvel at this by-the-numbers pulp sci-fi arc involving the invincible alien foe who are menacing for a long time and then, when we are finally being conclusively beaten by the good guys, inlist the aid of another menacing alien foe, the Breen. created almost out of whole cloth for the occassion. Bwahahahaha!
I didn't think the Dominion were all that interesting until Weyoun showed up and the Cardassians were made members. Odo's relationship to the Founders had its plus points but on the whole his relationship to his Cardassian past was more interesting. Here's some more.
SISKO: Dukat is pure evil. And just in case you, the viewer, don't understand that statement, he will be wearing red eyes and worshipping an evil devil god who I, as an agent of the Prophets, will fight for the good gods and win in a pseudo-religious Manichean battle, ha ha ha ha. Nuance was getting boring.
1. 2309 Blood Wine. Got annoying after a while (like DS9 Klingons in General towards the end)
2. Jem'Hadar Ships getting destroyed easily (worst case ("Treachery, faith...")
3. Miles and Julian playing war in the holodeck
4. Garak knowing secret codes (worst case: "Second Skin")
2. Jem'Hadar Ships getting destroyed easily (worst case ("Treachery, faith...")
3. Miles and Julian playing war in the holodeck
4. Garak knowing secret codes (worst case: "Second Skin")
I found the hideous Bajoran earrings in one ear only and the hideous Bajoran clothing to be DS9's worst cliches. Both are eyesores every single time.
Loved Shakaar and Kira's romance, allowed for Crossfire which is an amazing episode that was not at all cliche.
Cliche and annoying romances would be Worf & Jadzia, Worf & Ezri, and Ezri & Bashir.
Loved Shakaar and Kira's romance, allowed for Crossfire which is an amazing episode that was not at all cliche.
Cliche and annoying romances would be Worf & Jadzia, Worf & Ezri, and Ezri & Bashir.
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Ferengi.
Ferengi.
1. Over using the Ferengi as comic relief. I'd almost say they were a stand in for a certain ethnic group(think "Merchant of Venice"). It was borderline offensive.
2. The over spirituality of the Bajorans. No wonder a slick pol like Kai Winn can get to the top. She can invokes the prophets and all Bajoran dissidents shut up.
3. Not enough father/son conflict between Sisko and Jake.
4. Making Keiko O'Brien a whine bag.
2. The over spirituality of the Bajorans. No wonder a slick pol like Kai Winn can get to the top. She can invokes the prophets and all Bajoran dissidents shut up.
3. Not enough father/son conflict between Sisko and Jake.
4. Making Keiko O'Brien a whine bag.
The Ferengi comedy episodes
The absence of the Dominion through much of season three
The romance episodes--Melora, Second Sight, The Muse, A Simple Investigation etc
The romantic couples-Worf/Jadzia, Shakaar/Kira, Kira/Bareil, Zek/Moogie etc
The poor use of the Klingon conflict throughout season four
The wild fluctuations in season six from well written focused Occupation arc to a season of mostly but not entirely middling standalone episodes.
Jadzia was not very interesting. For that matter the recurring cast of Garak, Damar, Weyoun, Dukat, the Female Founder, Martok were far more interesting than the regulars.
The deus ex machina of the wormhole aliens saving the day in Sacrifice of Angels.
The absence of the Dominion through much of season three
The romance episodes--Melora, Second Sight, The Muse, A Simple Investigation etc
The romantic couples-Worf/Jadzia, Shakaar/Kira, Kira/Bareil, Zek/Moogie etc
The poor use of the Klingon conflict throughout season four
The wild fluctuations in season six from well written focused Occupation arc to a season of mostly but not entirely middling standalone episodes.
Jadzia was not very interesting. For that matter the recurring cast of Garak, Damar, Weyoun, Dukat, the Female Founder, Martok were far more interesting than the regulars.
The deus ex machina of the wormhole aliens saving the day in Sacrifice of Angels.
No cliches.
DS9 was very much original within the franchise.
I think Ezri Dax was the only annoyance.
A whiny irritating character who added nothing to the show and was completely unnecessary.
DS9 was very much original within the franchise.
I think Ezri Dax was the only annoyance.
A whiny irritating character who added nothing to the show and was completely unnecessary.
I agree about the Ezri bit. When Jadzia died they should have said goodbye Dax. I hate it when a show recasts characters after they have been established. I know she was a totally different person but it just seemed cheap to me. The show had so many recurring characters that adding one more was dumb. Why not make Garak or Nog or Martok a regular? Also, even tho I didn't really like Kieko, I thought it was dumb to send her to Bajor for a year or two because her relationship with O'Brien was the counterpoint to Ben/Jake. It was STRONGLY IMPLIED that O'brien and Bashir had a little man romance going on....wasn't it?
I thought a lot of the dialogue was cliched and predictable. Most egregious example was in the way of the warrior.
Kira: Looks like the Klingons are here to stay.
Sisko: Perhaps...
My family sitting at home: but so are we!
Sisko: But so are we.
Family: Oh my god, we just wrote Deep Space 9.
There are a bunch of these, especially in the later seasons.
Kira: Looks like the Klingons are here to stay.
Sisko: Perhaps...
My family sitting at home: but so are we!
Sisko: But so are we.
Family: Oh my god, we just wrote Deep Space 9.
There are a bunch of these, especially in the later seasons.
"Don't you get it, don't you see?!"
The basis for a drinking game... for teetotalers. Unless you're marathoning episodes.
The basis for a drinking game... for teetotalers. Unless you're marathoning episodes.
I know DS9 hardly used it compared to other nuTrek shows, but whenever technobabble crept up I winced.
hummm cliche' and annoyances.... I dunno. The series had a few bottle episodes that annoyed me. I have to go look up cliches just to make sure it means what I think it means. hummmm.
edit.... Well Kira always besting the Klingons in hand to hand combat could be cliche' mostly cause we knew she was going to win, I guess.
edit.... Well Kira always besting the Klingons in hand to hand combat could be cliche' mostly cause we knew she was going to win, I guess.
Kira beating klingons
The Grand Nagus grew annoying after the first episode he was in.
The Zek/Moogie romance totally unneccessary
The Grand Nagus grew annoying after the first episode he was in.
The Zek/Moogie romance totally unneccessary
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