What cliches and annoyances does DS9 have?

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

The Deux Ex Machina of the Prophets. In the pilot, they were great because they were a device by which Sisko could heal from his wife's injuries. In later seasons, they became a crutch to get the writers out of a corner. Of course, I can't really blame them. If you got 'em, why not us them. I'd probably do the same.

 

[scorpius1701]

I think that a lot of the shades of grey went out of the show starting around season 5 and was done around mid season 6. Then everyone was just on one side or another. Garak, Nog were solild good guys. Odo and Kira were firmly with the Federation. Dukat and the Cardassians were solid bad guys. The only real exceptions were the Federation with the Disease which was never really followed up on and the Cardassians with the changing sides again which was pulled out at the last minute. I think the show in terms of characters, much more interesting in the earlier seasons.

 

[Cyke101]

I guess I'm the only one who noticed these things: sometimes during a two-part, a character (the clearest in my mind being Kira) would get into some heated discussion/debate venting out his/her frustration, but this discussion/debate was really an outline of the previous episode's key points in disguise.

What's funny is the execution: the exposition would be too detailed for anyone to use in realistic intensely dramatic dialogue, yet not detailed enough to be used as, say, a writer's notes.

I adore DS9 and I strongly dislike Voyager and Enterprise, but I can't remember an instance of that happening on the latter two shows. On DS9, it seemed to happen a lot, imo. That's how you could tell there was a cliffhanger coming

 

[Worf412]

I guess I'm the only one who noticed these things: sometimes during a two-part, a character (the clearest in my mind being Kira) would get into some heated discussion/debate venting out his/her frustration, but this discussion/debate was really an outline of the previous episode's key points in disguise.

Hahaha, yes...This, or having two characters who should have total and complete knowledge of what's about to happen discuss said forthcoming events/plans.

Whenever it happens, I'll ask of my fellow viewers "Did you get all that, people-who-missed-the-last-episode?"

 

[Photon]

Miles,.....we have to decouple x and decouple y. Everything had to be decoupled w/a decoupler except for Worf and Dax

 

[thestrangequark]

I found the hideous Bajoran earrings in one ear only and the hideous Bajoran clothing to be DS9's worst cliches. Both are eyesores every single time.

Loved Shakaar and Kira's romance, allowed for Crossfire which is an amazing episode that was not at all cliche.

Cliche and annoying romances would be Worf & Jadzia, Worf & Ezri, and Ezri & Bashir.

Aw, I loved the Bajoran earrings and clothes. They remind me of what my mom's lesbian friends wore in the early '90's. Actually, Bajorans in general remind me of my mom's lesbian friends in the early '90's, which is perhaps why I like them so much.

 

[RTOlson]

Two words -- waste extraction. They tried to cram in references to the loo in a lot of episodes. In some ways, waste extraction was the less-lovable self-sealing stembolt of DS9.

 

[scorpius1701]

Rom.

 

[DS9forever]

The Deux Ex Machina of the Prophets. In the pilot, they were great because they were a device by which Sisko could heal from his wife's injuries. In later seasons, they became a crutch to get the writers out of a corner. Of course, I can't really blame them. If you got 'em, why not us them. I'd probably do the same.

I don't think the Prophets were like that. You would expect the Prophets to appear to Sisko when he spent some time in the wormhole (Accession, Sacrifice of Angels) and the penance for helping him stop the Dominion reinforcements was almost losing Jake in The Reckoning and later having to leave his family behind in the final chapter.

 

[Stormrage]

The one thing that gets me was how the good guys always won. Federation vs Klingons? Federation wins. Federation vs Cardassians? Federation wins. Bla bla bla it just gets so old. Especially when you see the Defiant destroy several klingon ships in the space of 5 minutes.

 

[Kirby]

Dukat became the cliche mustache-twirling bad guy. If the station had railroad tracks, he probably would have tied Jadzia to them at the end of Season 6.

 

[kobeyashi maru]

No matter where the story dictated that the characters went, you could always count on them ending up in a cave! They should got their money's worth out of that cave set, didn't they?

 

[tomalak301]

No matter where the story dictated that the characters went, you could always count on them ending up in a cave! They should got their money's worth out of that cave set, didn't they?

I was just thinking about that. It's an episode that doesn't get talked about much, but Sword of Kahless would have been a much better show if it hadn't taken place in the dark. I hate it when most shows do that. It's a lot easier to see them at night with the lights off but other than that, so much scenery is lost because the audience can't see a damn thing.

 

[MrPointy]

Dukat became the cliche mustache-twirling bad guy. If the station had railroad tracks, he probably would have tied Jadzia to them at the end of Season 6.

That would have made Tears of the Prophets infinitely better.

 

[kobeyashi maru]

No matter where the story dictated that the characters went, you could always count on them ending up in a cave! They should got their money's worth out of that cave set, didn't they?

I was just thinking about that. It's an episode that doesn't get talked about much, but Sword of Kahless would have been a much better show if it hadn't taken place in the dark. I hate it when most shows do that. It's a lot easier to see them at night with the lights off but other than that, so much scenery is lost because the audience can't see a damn thing.

Yeah. That episode suffers from a severe lack of scope. It's supposed to feel like an Indiana Jones movie, but clearly, it falls short of that goal. It probably would have been better if the sword were in an ancient temple in a jungle or something, but they were so limited in terms of budget and scheduling, I'm not surprised it ended up the way it did.

 

[stormleader]

I like Worf, but I thought he was a bad addition to the cast.

 

[Cyke101]

I like Worf, but I thought he was a bad addition to the cast.

While I think more could have been done with his friendship with Odo, I honestly think he got 10x the character development on DS9 rather than TNG.

And while more of a fun running gag than a cliche, I loved how everyone kept hyping up how hilarious and deep and insightful and friendly Morn was, but whenever we see him, he's completely silent. I wish Morn had the last line in the show. Of course I recognize the powerful symbolism of Kira and Jake being the final two characters we see, but Morn is just too good a character.

 

[Cpt_Nick_Stone]

I can't think of any "cliches or annoyances per say". However, I did find the use of Klingons as the "bad guys" in Season 4 and bit of Season 5 unoriginal. They were the bad guys or antagonists of some sort so often in the Original Series and the movies. It felt a little bit disappointing that the show focused such a significant story arc on bad guys who had been used so much before, especially as the Dominion were so original, intriguing and quite menacing.

Don't get me wrong though, "Way Of The Warrior" had some excellent and exciting action scenes and "Nor The Battle To Strong" had some superb acting and character development.

 

[tachibana]

Never liked Avery's "breakdown" acting. And after a school mate did a spot on imitation of him I could never take Ben Sisko seriously whenever he broke down.

 

[JimmyMac]

Well Kira always besting the Klingons in hand to hand combat could be cliche' mostly cause we knew she was going to win, I guess.

She obviously learnt her lesson well from The Way Of The Warrior when she got stabbed :thumbsup:

Gowron always sounded like a comedy Mexican. Truly barking.