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What canon would you like to have seen broken in Trek?

Possibly the Vulcan physiology makes it easier for them to suppress emotion (different Neurochemistry, better control of it?) and being half Vulcan makes that biological control harder?

Possibly, but the violent Vulcan backstory and existence of Romulans seems to speak against it.
 
Well said, Praetor.

However, I think TOS, TNG, and DS9 kind of go together. We certainly see TNG has the continuation of "the mission" from TOS. And TNG dovetailed a few episodes with DS9 rather nicely.

I really wish VOY never made reference to anything from TOS or TNG. It would have been easier to swallow all the breaches of canon. And I would have liked ENT not to have been called Enterprise at all. "Starfleet" would have been a better name. It's the beginning of the Federation. And the ship? Call it Centauri or Orion... don't use "Enterprise." Pull it completely out of the supposed Star Trek timeline. Because there was just way too many liberties taken... especially with the Borg.
Why is the name "Enterprise" sacrosanct? Ships have used the name for centuries. And TMP showed us at least one ship prior to the 1701 that used the name. Not sure how ENT was the worst offender continuity wise. Internally and externaly in probably had the best continuity. It might have turned some fan assumptions on their ears, but that's a good thing.
The Borg episodewas handled quite well. I'm not a fan of putting things in boxes. Which is what some fans like to do with each show.
 
Possibly the Vulcan physiology makes it easier for them to suppress emotion (different Neurochemistry, better control of it?) and being half Vulcan makes that biological control harder?

Possibly, but the violent Vulcan backstory and existence of Romulans seems to speak against it.

Perhaps it's a combination of biology and self-control mental training? As in, you need both components to be Vulcan logical. Surak came up with the training necessary for Vulcans, and their neuro-chemistry made it easier to accept those teachings.
 
And Picard bald as a young man in "Nemesis." Not only does this contradict several TNG episodes, it was done purely because TPTB thought that audiences might be confused if they showed [Tom Hardy] as a young Picard with hair while Shinzon was bald...

Ironically, my dad, who knew Patrick Stewart early in his career, says he was bald at a young age. It worked out well for him as an actor, as it meant he could play young characters simply by putting a wig on, and old characters without. Other actors his age would have to put on a ton of make up for older roles.
 
And Picard bald as a young man in "Nemesis." Not only does this contradict several TNG episodes, it was done purely because TPTB thought that audiences might be confused if they showed [Tom Hardy] as a young Picard with hair while Shinzon was bald...

Ironically, my dad, who knew Patrick Stewart early in his career, says he was bald at a young age. It worked out well for him as an actor, as it meant he could play young characters simply by putting a wig on, and old characters without. Other actors his age would have to put on a ton of make up for older roles.

Agreed regarding Stewart and his career - and there are ways of retconning around that photo (such as saying Picard really was bald at a young age and perhaps went through a phase where he used the 'baldness cure' that we've debated existing before, only to eventually drop using it and decide to be himself) but it just seemed silly to not put a wig on Tom Hardy when they'd already shown that Picard had hair as a kid. To me, showing him bald made it seem more like this was Shinzon.
 
I didn't read page 3 so if this has been mentioned forgive me but doesn't anyone have a problem with the fact that Data can't use contractions (even though I must have heard him do it a half dozen times during the first season).

A sentient being as sophisticated as Data can't handle contractions? It's ridiculous. So are they telling me that if he read the words off a page his mouth simply couldn't vocalize the sound?
 
It's not that he couldn't handle them, it was that Soong deliberately made him like that and probably made it so that he couldn't easily correct it. I suppose it was Soong's way of saying "get off our metal butt and make the internal alterations yourself and show you can self-improve."
 
O'Brien is the great grandson of Mr. Scott.
Captain Tryla Scott is Scotty and Uhura's love child.

You know, in all seriousness, when I was a kid I watched TFF and 'Conspiracy' each for the first time within a close span of one another, and seriously wondered if she might have been a descendant. :eek:

It's not that he couldn't handle them, it was that Soong deliberately made him like that and probably made it so that he couldn't easily correct it. I suppose it was Soong's way of saying "get off our metal butt and make the internal alterations yourself and show you can self-improve."

That's my take on it too, more or less - I thought it might have been something to appease the other colonists. "See? This one's not evil. He can't say 'can't' - and if the other one switches with him, we'll have an easy way to tell." :p
 
I wish we could erase the part in the last episode of TOS about how women can't be captains in Starfleet. They could have kept the episode the same and just said the lady had commited some act that while not enough to incriminate her made her inelligible to be captain.

Glad it was broken pretty quickly, but still, it exists in that episode.
 
I wish we could erase the part in the last episode of TOS about how women can't be captains in Starfleet. They could have kept the episode the same and just said the lady had commited some act that while not enough to incriminate her made her inelligible to be captain.

Glad it was broken pretty quickly, but still, it exists in that episode.

I think this would be my choice, too. I know that people have debated the semantics of the conversation over the years, but I feel that it is essentially saying that women can't be captain a starship.
 
I wish we could erase the part in the last episode of TOS about how women can't be captains in Starfleet. They could have kept the episode the same and just said the lady had commited some act that while not enough to incriminate her made her inelligible to be captain.

Glad it was broken pretty quickly, but still, it exists in that episode.

I think this would be my choice, too. I know that people have debated the semantics of the conversation over the years, but I feel that it is essentially saying that women can't be captain a starship.

I still believe it was a thinly veiled attempted to 'deal' with sexism as an issue by making it an un-vague allegory a la 'Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.' I choose to believe Lester meant she couldn't be a part of Kirk's world because he wanted to be in Starfleet, and that she couldn't join Starfleet because she was crazy.

"If only, if only..." ;)
 
Possibly the Vulcan physiology makes it easier for them to suppress emotion (different Neurochemistry, better control of it?) and being half Vulcan makes that biological control harder?

Possibly, but the violent Vulcan backstory and existence of Romulans seems to speak against it.

I always thought that when some Vulcan called out Spock's heritage, they were being rhetorical. If you were the son of an American woman and a Tibetan monk, and living in a Tibetan monastery, every time you showed any signs of impulsiveness they would say "oh, it must be the American in you." If you lived in America, anytime you acted serenely they would say, "Well, it is because your father was a monk!"

I think that Spock grew up an outsider, someone who was reminded constantly of his heritage, and so when he went off to live with humans he found that he could identify with humans even though he sometimes wished that he didn't. I mean, it is obvious that he did, why else would he serve with them for so long? It isn't really anything to do with his blood-- that's just a convenient metaphor that even he himself uses-- it's his perceived heritage. In reality, any Vulcan that was brought up by humans would behave as a human would, or at least they would have the same difficulty controlling their emotions that we all do (he/she might actually have a bit more of a tendency to be violent).


On Sarek: I have always thought that when Sarek said "So Human" he was talking about himself and just projecting it on his son. After all, he was impulsive enough to want a human wife and impulsive enough to say it. I think that Sarek was going through hell when Spock was born; he was an outcast himself, having given up his love with a vulcan princess to marry a human woman and have a child with her. What must everyone have thought! He was a shaker and a mover, and he clearly was quite emotional sometimes (Why have you left Spock on Genesis!?). Why was it that Sarak was ambassador to the federation? Maybe it was because they thought it was the only job he could do. "If you love humans so much, why don't you marry them? Oh, you did, well, why don't you go live with them too."

The fact that Sybok, a full-blooded vulcan abandoned the way of Surak and embraced his emotional side shows that the household Spock and Sybok grew up in was one of contridiction, where they were forced to embrace pure logic at the same time they were being taught, through the actions of their father, to be emotional and impulsive.

I don't think it has much to do with genetics at all. Sure, instincts are instincts, but I think that the house of Sarek is one of emotion and sensuality, and that was passed to the next generation. Spock eventually decided that it was in the benifit of his people for them to be reintroduced to their emotional side via reunification with the romulans. To him, this contridiction, this walking of the line between pure rationality and pure impulsivity, was enlightenment, and as much as he tried to deny it, and tried to supress it, that really is how he lived.
 
I wish we could erase the part in the last episode of TOS about how women can't be captains in Starfleet. They could have kept the episode the same and just said the lady had commited some act that while not enough to incriminate her made her inelligible to be captain.

Glad it was broken pretty quickly, but still, it exists in that episode.

It's pretty much accepted she was a lunatic and we couldn't take her claim that seriously. Though there are some guys who say that T'Pring saying she would be Spock's "property" in Amok Time also was a way of mentioning sexism as well.
 
^^I thought it was agreed we would all just forget TFF ever existed?! It. Never. Happened. "We were all on vacation!" "Nothing bad ever happened!" (German tour guide on Family Guy regarding World War II.
 
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