What canon would you like to have seen broken in Trek?
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EVERYTHING!
If you're implying that visual communication *did not exist*, I highly doubt that. I interpreted that line to mean that the Romulans simply refused all attempts at communication. The allies could see each other, but nobody could see the Romulans.
Besides, we all know by now that visuals *did* exist at that time, so the line must be reinterpreted anyway.
THANK YOU!!!What canon would I like broken?
The idea that all the series took place in one big contiguous, unchanging Trek universe.
There, I said it.
THANK YOU!!!What canon would I like broken?
The idea that all the series took place in one big contiguous, unchanging Trek universe.
There, I said it.
Why would this be a good thing?
IMHO, having a coherent timeline and continuity is a strength, not a hindrance.
I think they have. It's mostly inaccurate fanon assumptions (such as "Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet") that wouldn't agree.
^ Somebody - it wasn't me, but I agreed - listed "continuity" in the "Things I love about Trek" thread. And I do, I dooooooo! I don't mind some changes, of course - they are inevitable and oftentimes completely necessary - but I want a recognizable Trek universe. I think that's one of Trek's strengths. Heck, it's one of Star Wars' strengths, too...and Disc World's strengths and Oz's strengths and LOTR's strengths. You've got a lot of freedom with a fictional world, but you've got to establish context, and in this case context=continuity.
Goodbye, TATV. Trip Tucker LIVES!
I could do without Warp 10 salamanders and Melvin Belli in a mu-mu. There was no reason why Archer & the gang needed to encounter Borg and Ferengi, and thereby implying that Starfleet was comprised of morons for doing nothing to preserve records of those encounters with very distinctive looking and acting aliens. Lose Future Guy altogether and throw his Space Nazis after him.
But the "nobody saw Romulans" during the Earth-Romulan War notion is do-able...and it's in support of a good episode, so that counts for a lot. Mainly I go after the wretched episodes and want them wiped from the face of the cosmos.
Anything that's distinctive and not obviously silly is good. I think capitalism and religion are here to stay, but I could see how the situation could be different. Star Trek gives us a way to play what-if.
Trip Tucker LIVES!I could do without Warp 10 salamanders and Melvin Belli in a mu-mu. There was no reason why Archer & the gang needed to encounter Borg and Ferengi, and thereby implying that Starfleet was comprised of morons for doing nothing to preserve records of those encounters with very distinctive looking and acting aliens. Lose Future Guy altogether and throw his Space Nazis after him.
But the "nobody saw Romulans" during the Earth-Romulan War notion is do-able...and it's in support of a good episode, so that counts for a lot. Mainly I go after the wretched episodes and want them wiped from the face of the cosmos.
I agree. The commie hippie crap makes Star Trek distinctive. It doesn't matter so much whether you think it will happen - I don't think religion is ever going to wither away - but the commie hippie atheist crap makes it easier to tell Star Trek from all the other space operas.
Anything that's distinctive and not obviously silly is good. I think capitalism and religion are here to stay, but I could see how the situation could be different. Star Trek gives us a way to play what-if.
I'd break some of the ideas regarding technology that have been suggested as canonical, like the good guys can't use stealth technology (cloaks) and odd numbers of nacelles are bad, even though you clearly don't even need a nacelle structure to house a warp engine.
It's actually canon that having an odd number of nacelles is bad for a whip?
As for the no cloaking, they at least gave us the reason that the Romulans would've gone to war with the Feds over the issue and the Feds were sensible enough to not fight a bloody war over something that's not really that effective anymore anyways.
As for the no cloaking, they at least gave us the reason that the Romulans would've gone to war with the Feds over the issue and the Feds were sensible enough to not fight a bloody war over something that's not really that effective anymore anyways.
If you're implying that visual communication *did not exist*, I highly doubt that. I interpreted that line to mean that the Romulans simply refused all attempts at communication. The allies could see each other, but nobody could see the Romulans.
Besides, we all know by now that visuals *did* exist at that time, so the line must be reinterpreted anyway.
I'm not implying anything. The quote speaks for itself.Since 21st century technology pretty much forced the creators of Enterprise to ignore it (presupposing they were even aware of it), I guess I got what I wanted: Earth would have known its allies.
I don't think it's so much the idea that there isn't any money - it's the fact that that idea is negated in the show itself by the existence of 'credits'. Do they use money or not? Pick one and stick with it!
Well said, Praetor.
However, I think TOS, TNG, and DS9 kind of go together. We certainly see TNG has the continuation of "the mission" from TOS. And TNG dovetailed a few episodes with DS9 rather nicely.
I really wish VOY never made reference to anything from TOS or TNG. It would have been easier to swallow all the breaches of canon. And I would have liked ENT not to have been called Enterprise at all. "Starfleet" would have been a better name. It's the beginning of the Federation. And the ship? Call it Centauri or Orion... don't use "Enterprise." Pull it completely out of the supposed Star Trek timeline. Because there was just way too many liberties taken... especially with the Borg.
However, I think TOS, TNG, and DS9 kind of go together. We certainly see TNG has the continuation of "the mission" from TOS. And TNG dovetailed a few episodes with DS9 rather nicely.
I really wish VOY never made reference to anything from TOS or TNG. It would have been easier to swallow all the breaches of canon. And I would have liked ENT not to have been called Enterprise at all. "Starfleet" would have been a better name. It's the beginning of the Federation. And the ship? Call it Centauri or Orion... don't use "Enterprise." Pull it completely out of the supposed Star Trek timeline. Because there was just way too many liberties taken... especially with the Borg.
The manglings of biology, of course. Except the Chase, although I'd have preferred that outing to have been about three orders of magnitude more plausible (manipulation occurring four million instead of four billion years ago).
The Pagh Wraiths, at least as they were presented. Benjamin "Prophet Jesus" Sisko and Skrain "Prophet Antichrist" Dukat, for similar reasons. Specifically, that whole last half hour of WYLB.
From TOS, all those identical or alt-history Earths. It helps that none of these stories were any good.
Other than that? Well, Voyager and Enterprise, mostly.
The Pagh Wraiths, at least as they were presented. Benjamin "Prophet Jesus" Sisko and Skrain "Prophet Antichrist" Dukat, for similar reasons. Specifically, that whole last half hour of WYLB.
From TOS, all those identical or alt-history Earths. It helps that none of these stories were any good.
Other than that? Well, Voyager and Enterprise, mostly.
I would like everybody to have admitted right from the beginning that Vulcans are not "emotionless." They aren't. They never were. Just about every Vulcan we've ever seen has displayed some emotion or other, even if it was merely smugness. (Don't get me wrong, I love Vulcans, but golly they do tend to be smug. It's one of the things I enjoy about them.)
They suppress their emotions and attempt to use logic to guide them through life, but that's not the same as "emotionless." They in fact have to work really hard to follow the Vulcan Way. So emotionless they aren't.
And yet, we whenever we have a Vulcan do something emotional - e.g., Spock becoming friends with Kirk (how can you consider somebody a friend if you don't feel emotion?), T'Pring chosing the other guy over Spock, Solok acting like a total jerk - none of the other characters seem to notice this. They act like the Vulcans are being logical when they aren't.
If nothing else, perhaps this would have spared us all those scenes when Spock acts logically and McCoy gets pissed off and says, "You don't feel anything, do you Spock?" even though he must have known by then that Spock did feel things. I liked McCoy, but even as a kid, I really disliked those scenes. A lot.
They suppress their emotions and attempt to use logic to guide them through life, but that's not the same as "emotionless." They in fact have to work really hard to follow the Vulcan Way. So emotionless they aren't.
And yet, we whenever we have a Vulcan do something emotional - e.g., Spock becoming friends with Kirk (how can you consider somebody a friend if you don't feel emotion?), T'Pring chosing the other guy over Spock, Solok acting like a total jerk - none of the other characters seem to notice this. They act like the Vulcans are being logical when they aren't.
If nothing else, perhaps this would have spared us all those scenes when Spock acts logically and McCoy gets pissed off and says, "You don't feel anything, do you Spock?" even though he must have known by then that Spock did feel things. I liked McCoy, but even as a kid, I really disliked those scenes. A lot.
I've always kind of thought that too much was read into the "no money" concept in the Federation, but the situation was made worse by Picard's holier-than-thou speech in First Contact. It was perfectly acceptable that in the future, money doesn't exist in a physical form in the Federation--no bills, no coins--and that it was all done electronically on a credit system not too unlike today's credit or debit cards. Kirk's comment about Humans still using money in The Voyage Home would fit in that regard. Ditto for Jake Sisko not having any money in an episode of DS9. Neither simply had any physical money on them and that Federation credits were useless outside of the Federation...
But no currency in the Federation at all? I think there's more evidence that there is than that there isn't, IMO...
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