What canon would you like to have seen broken in Trek?
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I have to rewatch the episode, but wasn't the rear wall behind the captain just one big console? That would explain a lot.
If only Starfleet made a ship that had a huge console for a hull...
All of Enterprise.
The word marshmellons...I don't understand this joke(?)
Klingons spouting Shakespeare ine the original Klingon....huh?
Romulan foreheads...WHY? They come from Vulcan.
Nemesis
The word marshmellons...I don't understand this joke(?)
Klingons spouting Shakespeare ine the original Klingon....huh?
Romulan foreheads...WHY? They come from Vulcan.
Nemesis
I always have really, really hated Romulan foreheads too. They exist because the producers assumed that we, the viewers, are complete morons and need something visual to distinguish the 'races' apart (which defeats the purpose of them being the SAME race in the first place).
Regardless of the reason, it is immensely lame, as it diminishes the plotline of Balance of Terror; specifically, Lt. Stiles' suspicion of Spock as a Romulan spy.
I wouldn't say that it's lame because it undermines 'BoT' (because I don't really think it does) - moreso it's lame because it was so arbitrary. With the Klingons, they were improving the effects (and effectively, originally, retconning the appearance of the Klingons) because of improved budget. Here, it was just a 'why not.'
They still look enough alike that the Stiles plot is intact. Besides the real core of the Romulan/Vulcan thing was that they were closely related, which means more than them looking exactly the same.
ACTUALLY: the Romulan ridges were added to make them 'a match' for the new and improved ridge-headed Klingons. to make them 'meaner'.
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Romulans, now in high-definition!
Well, we can chalk it up as a failure, then.
I disagree with you on that. The ENT Vulcans seemed far more deceitful and hostile than what I saw on TOS. To me, I think it was done so that Archer and Trip could be right all the time whenever they said something anti-Vulcan. I wanted more balance, and despite the guile of T'Pring, the prickliness of T'Pau & Sarek, we still saw enough nobility in Sarek that compensated for that.
I can't totally fault ENT, I think the Vulcan bashing began with DS9's holosuite baseball game. Some smugness is fine...for some Vulcan characters, but not all. I think the writers went overboard portraying the Vulcans as antagonists in ENT and DS9. At least Tuvok presented a more balanced portrait, like Spock did.
Canon Breaks I would make:
-First contact with the Klingons as depicted in ENT. I liked the idea of a more disastrous first contact in 2218 that was conjectured in the Star Trek Encyclopedia.
-Removal of forehead ridges from Romulans in TNG and following Trek shows.
-The idea in NEM that the Feds didn't know much about the Remans. The Remans could've been the front line troops during the Earth-Romulan War, getting around the problem of humans not seeing Romulans during that war. But Riker's line messed that up.
-After WWIII, Earth solved all of its problems in only 50 years.
-Federation is a moneyless economy.
-Breaking warp ten turns you into a lizard. Thanks again VOY.
-Kirk becoming an admiral in 2270. I thought it made more sense for him to do another five-year mission before he took that promotion.
-Decker only being captain of the ENT for that training mission or whatever. I thought it would've added to the drama of TMP if Decker had been captain for a while. When Kirk comes in to take over, I think it could've really set off some fireworks with Decker and the crew that he had built.
I'm not really sure where you're coming from here.
I'm pretty sure the intention in TMP was that Decker was going to command the Enterprise in the same way Kirk had. The alien ensign on the bridge commented that Captain Decker had been with the ship 'for every second of the refitting' which would seem odd to me if he was only commanding the ship for a shakedown, and I'm pretty sure that Kirk and Decker's heated conversation in engineering confirms that Decker was going to actually command the ship proper before the Vejur crisis allowed Kirk an excuse back in.
(Now, in the original 'Phase II' version of the story, Commander Decker was pulled from captaincy of the light cruiser Boston to serve as Enterprise XO - but I think the alien ensign's line negates that for TMP.)
I believe Riker said something about knowing next to nothing about the Remans.
Can't remember it verbatim, but it was the scene in the conference room, where I think it was Riker or maybe Data talking about how little information they had on the Remans, which I assumed meant that Earth/Federation had little contact with the Remans before NEM.
I'm not really sure where you're coming from here.
I'm pretty sure the intention in TMP was that Decker was going to command the Enterprise in the same way Kirk had. The alien ensign on the bridge commented that Captain Decker had been with the ship 'for every second of the refitting' which would seem odd to me if he was only commanding the ship for a shakedown, and I'm pretty sure that Kirk and Decker's heated conversation in engineering confirms that Decker was going to actually command the ship proper before the Vejur crisis allowed Kirk an excuse back in.
(Now, in the original 'Phase II' version of the story, Commander Decker was pulled from captaincy of the light cruiser Boston to serve as Enterprise XO - but I think the alien ensign's line negates that for TMP.)
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What I was trying to get at was if Decker had been more established it might've led to some nice tension between the crew loyal to Decker and the remnants more loyal to Kirk. To some extent, like how the ENT-D crew were chilly towards Jellico when he took over.
Despite Decker's fate in TMP, if he had been a longer established captain, it might've allowed books or comics to be written about him filling out his backstory and giving us more adventures during his tenure of the Enterprise. It would've been an opportunity to explore that timeframe through a different lense.
Can't remember it verbatim, but it was the scene in the conference room, where I think it was Riker or maybe Data talking about how little information they had on the Remans, which I assumed meant that Earth/Federation had little contact with the Remans before NEM.
That doesn't mean much, I mean the Remans could have been the Romulan War soldiers but the Humans still didn't know much about them aside from what they looked like.
^ I think it was established that Remans were used as shock troops - but it was during the Dominion War.
I'm not really sure where you're coming from here.
I'm pretty sure the intention in TMP was that Decker was going to command the Enterprise in the same way Kirk had. The alien ensign on the bridge commented that Captain Decker had been with the ship 'for every second of the refitting' which would seem odd to me if he was only commanding the ship for a shakedown, and I'm pretty sure that Kirk and Decker's heated conversation in engineering confirms that Decker was going to actually command the ship proper before the Vejur crisis allowed Kirk an excuse back in.
(Now, in the original 'Phase II' version of the story, Commander Decker was pulled from captaincy of the light cruiser Boston to serve as Enterprise XO - but I think the alien ensign's line negates that for TMP.)
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What I was trying to get at was if Decker had been more established it might've led to some nice tension between the crew loyal to Decker and the remnants more loyal to Kirk. To some extent, like how the ENT-D crew were chilly towards Jellico when he took over.
Despite Decker's fate in TMP, if he had been a longer established captain, it might've allowed books or comics to be written about him filling out his backstory and giving us more adventures during his tenure of the Enterprise. It would've been an opportunity to explore that timeframe through a different lense.
Oh, I see what you're saying then - mixed loyalties among the crew? Come to think of it, Uhura and the rest seemed ready to ditch Decker when they heard Kirk was coming aboard. The only person who seemed uncomfortable was Scotty when Kirk was about to have 'the talk' with Decker. Then again, perhaps he was the only one of the 'regulars' to work closely with him up to that point?
The implication was one thing, but the depiction another. I do see where you're coming from now.
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