http://trekmovie.com/2016/08/28/bre...k-discovery-details-in-august-27th-interview/
Yep. Just guessing with a dash of hope...
Yep. Just guessing with a dash of hope...
What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?
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Which really makes one wonder why they didn't just set it in its own universe. There is really no reason to bring back Prime, other than to pander/appease Faraci gallant army of 100.
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I'm just going to run with the assumption this post was meant to be satirical in nature.
I trust that Fuller and his team will have a completely new look for the Discovery series, one that will separate it from Enterprise, The Original Series, and the 24th century era shows.
But I have a nagging feeling that we haven't seen the last of the Pike-era uniforms in some manner. That's probably just a dash of hope.
But I have a nagging feeling that we haven't seen the last of the Pike-era uniforms in some manner. That's probably just a dash of hope.
Careful now. You may be setting yourself up to be as wrong as the noPrimers if the absence of these things later belie your faith.
The creators have said it's in Prime. Beyond that, the specifics will mater as much to me as the Eugenics Wars and the launch of a super race aboard a spaceship never happening for real. i.e., not at all. It will be framed as our own future - not someone else's - and that's enough for me.
If the specifics don't matter, then what difference does it make what universe it takes place in?
I agree? Like I said, the Discovery crew will probably be doing its own thing. It's ludicrous if you think it will have any connection to The Cage, based on what's been said.
My whole point is, is it really "Prime" if it is completely different visually from the shows it is running concurrent with? "The Cage" is canon in the Prime universe thanks to its inclusion in "The Menagerie".
If they say it is, it is. It's not up to me to make these distinctions.
The idea of two crews operating at the same time, wearing two competing sets of uniforms is completely insane, I agree. What is this, Deep Space Nine?
You're talking about a variant of a design. The shoulders are exactly the same, as is the base color scheme. Though I'm sure you know that and are nitpicking to try to deflect the fact that Fuller said they are redesigning the look, the uniforms, the aliens for Discovery.
Right. You have no.special knowledge.
I'd say it is you that is hoping.
He can write a Stargate sequel, if he wants, and still say it is set in the Prime Star Trek timeline. It's his job to do what he wants and (hopefully) entertain the masses. It's my job (or hobby, or odd obsession) to try to explain it away and make sense of it all.
I trust Bryan Fuller, as a former Star Trek writer himself, will pay some sort of lip service to The Cage aesthetic. If not in his series, then in the tie-in material being coordinated by Kirsten Beyer. I may be wrong, and fully understand that.
What you've quoted, which is all fine and good, doesn't dissuade me from that perhaps irrational opinion.
It's still too early to really tell, since we haven't seen anything other than a pre-production ship design, some funky sketches, and a few interesting phrases from the production team.
I'm fine with it. And from hearing the comments made at Mission New York, I am even more certain that setting it in the Prime Universe isn't going to matter to the folks who were demanding it. It's not going to be a clone of the shows of the 1990s, and I'm betting there will be quite a few people that will actually be nostalgic for the Kelvin Timeline films once they see the kinds of changes in store.
Guaranteed.
Guaranteed.
I've explained that extensively in posts you likely remember; asked and answered.
For the millionth time. TMP takes place 5 years after TOS. Yet TMP looks nothing like TOS. The costumes look different than anything before or after. That DOESN'T MAKE IT A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE.
If you don't get the difference of a total redesign (look, aliens, uniforms) of an era we've already been exposed to and was even referenced in other productions (The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Enterprise) and what was done in TMP. Nothing I can say will make a difference.
Discovery is supposed to be taking place side-by-side with what we saw in "The Cage". The same universe, at the same time.
Kurtzman said "it's time to modernize Trek". This is going to be a new mashup of the Prime Universe -- not a continuation of the Prime continuity. That's the best way to describe it...
Everything will look different visually, but the material and concepts will be mined from the Prime Timeline... but Discovery will be it's own thing not beholden to existing canon. That's the sense I get from what little information we have. This might as well be another 'alternate' universe because it's a reimagining of TOS, set in that 10 year period before Kirk.
They are trying to have their cake and eat it too. It's an interesting concept and will be a feat to pull off since there is going to be endless, distracting comparisons to TOS, both visual and story-wise. But since they are approaching the narrative differently (serialized novel-like story, POV from a non-captain character) it will feel new and fresh.
It's also interesting that for so many of the early years of TNG, Gene and then Berman/Piller strove to have that show stand on it's own two feet and be it's own thing, and went miles to not be a retread or a do-over of TOS. It was part of the concept of TNG... and that's why the audience evetually embraced it as it did. I don't know why these new producers are obsessed with the "the only way to go forward is to go backwards" approach. I guess they see it worked for JJ on Star Wars...
Everything will look different visually, but the material and concepts will be mined from the Prime Timeline... but Discovery will be it's own thing not beholden to existing canon. That's the sense I get from what little information we have. This might as well be another 'alternate' universe because it's a reimagining of TOS, set in that 10 year period before Kirk.
They are trying to have their cake and eat it too. It's an interesting concept and will be a feat to pull off since there is going to be endless, distracting comparisons to TOS, both visual and story-wise. But since they are approaching the narrative differently (serialized novel-like story, POV from a non-captain character) it will feel new and fresh.
It's also interesting that for so many of the early years of TNG, Gene and then Berman/Piller strove to have that show stand on it's own two feet and be it's own thing, and went miles to not be a retread or a do-over of TOS. It was part of the concept of TNG... and that's why the audience evetually embraced it as it did. I don't know why these new producers are obsessed with the "the only way to go forward is to go backwards" approach. I guess they see it worked for JJ on Star Wars...
I agree.
Kelvinverse was fun, exciting and had potential for so many new and interesting stories after '09. A new show set in the Kelvin TOS-era with a big marketing push after '09 probably would've opened up so many doors. But then Into Darkness and Beyond (I actually liked the latter) happened, then it became "it's pretty much the Primeverse, but at the same time it's not, but it's pretty much the Primeverse".
My point exactly. Same universe, same timeline, different ship, different crew, different mission.
