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What are your realistic expectations for Strange New Worlds
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The so called Golden Age of TV killed the old occasionally great episodic show. We've now seen shows with whole seasons that were great, no way can we be satisfied again by 3-4 in a 23 episode season. Now, is it theoretically possible to write great trek is a modern way? Sure, but you might have to deviate from what makes Star Trek, Star Trek.
And what is that?
Positive tone. Negative emotions are more powerful than positive ones, so we will never consider a positive show great. We will need horror and despair to achieve that great show level. DS9 sort of went in this direction, but they didn't go all the way.
For example the TNG episode with Hue, where Picard refuse to release a virus into the Borg because Hue has achieved individuality. A great show would then show the Borg killing billions and putting the Federation on the brink of annihilation as a result of his decision. Eventually he would have to do something horrible to defeat them, something that would destroy him, but save the Federation. Again, DS9 went in this direction, but not all the way.
Huh.
Interesting.
I don't know that I agree. Positivity winning the day is a pretty positive message, no pun intended. Messages of hope after darkness is probably one of my favorite story types, and definitely the ones that stand out the most.
But, for Trek, honestly, if we dig back in to TOS it was not always positive. It could be downright dour. Watch Balance of Terror or City on the Edge of Forever. Those are not positive endings.
Yes, and if those episodes were released today Trekkies would say they're shitting on Roddenberry's legacy or something like that. Anyway, positivity winning the day is no longer a realistic message. In the age of information, we simply know better. The good guys don't win without becoming the bad guys.
And they would be quite wrong, wouldn't they, since Trek is not one thing but a variety of things, told within a science fiction sandbox.
Hmmm...I don't agree on good guys not winning without bad guys. I think we are about to enter the age of good guys winning with cost, rather than no cost. And, despite my misgivings, I think that Marvel Endgame did that well enough, as did No Way Home, and Discovery even to a degree.
That doesn't make the good guys become bad guys though.
Marvel films actually do a decent job. Especially recently. They have matured quite a bit. And I'm dying a little inside saying that.
Everyone forgets that IM1 kicked it all of with a movie about the dangers of the industrial military complex. Quite a mature theme to start "maturing" from.
Who do you think you are? Jankom Pog?
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You just summed up my entire 50 year Star Trek experience.
I was more referring to the emotional maturity, not the basic story beats. Marvel, by and large, has the story beats down, but the emotions are often, as you put it, naive. Or more, simplistic. But, the heroes keep having to up the stakes until there is true sacrifice for the victory. Same with Peter and I think it is quite the maturing process.Everyone forgets that IM1 kicked it all of with a movie about the dangers of the industrial military complex. Quite a mature theme to start "maturing" from.
My hopes are low. First, I don't like prequels ... although Enterprise grew on me with its third and fourth season.
But Discovery? Worst series I've ever seen, I would have stopped watching it years ago if it wasn't Star Trek.
Picard? I was so happy when they announced his return, but apart from the nostalgia factor it's been a disappointment.
Maybe SNW will be able to shake off the stench of Discovery, but as I said before ... my hopes are low.
But Discovery? Worst series I've ever seen, I would have stopped watching it years ago if it wasn't Star Trek.
Picard? I was so happy when they announced his return, but apart from the nostalgia factor it's been a disappointment.
Maybe SNW will be able to shake off the stench of Discovery, but as I said before ... my hopes are low.
So...not Star Trek, then?
Star Trek has always had preachy dialog. Always.
Assuming they have a decent writing team (yes, I know that's a HUGE assumption), I predict that it will be the BEST Trek series to date! I don't care too much for the "entire season is a story" format. Many episodes are just filler. For that type of story telling, they should dump the entire season at once in order to binge watch.
Can't wait for the old style stand alone episodes. I just wish they would make each one longer - 52 minutes like TOS before they were chopped up to allow more commercials.
Can't wait for the old style stand alone episodes. I just wish they would make each one longer - 52 minutes like TOS before they were chopped up to allow more commercials.
I expect that it will be very similar to the few elements of standalone space adventure that we've had so far, that being the Shenzhou scenes in the DSC series premiere, the Stargazer scenes in Picard season 2, and DSC's New Eden. That is to say: adequate, capturing the vibe and generally solid, but otherwise unremarkable.
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