What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Arguably The Best Poster Named cooleddie Moderator

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    GEN has some of the best cinematography in the franchise. The mood lighting in Picard's Ready Room and main quarters as well as that of Ten Forward are sumptuous and first class.
     
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  2. Commander Troi

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    I wish that wasn't controversial! I used to get snobby when people liked things I didn't, but I got better. :D Half the fun of geekdom is hearing people talk about what they like.

    I can dig that. I do like when people recommend something they think I'll like though. I appreciate that, even if I don't end up liking it.
     
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  3. Ovation

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  4. Tallguy

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    Since we don't have a multiplier button...
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    I don't think I've had such an experience of "Ohhhh! So that's what it REALLY looked like!" like that outside of Rogue One.
     
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  5. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Arguably The Best Poster Named cooleddie Moderator

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    They did incredible work turning those TV series sets into truly cinematic rooms.
     
  6. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    GEN certainly looks nice.

    Shame about everything else.
     
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  7. F. King Daniel

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    Star Trek: Discovery would go on to borrow Generations' entire lighting scheme, and loved lighting sets through the windows.
     
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    Disco does a better job of that than Gen
     
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  9. TREK_GOD_1

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    I can agree that Shatner was the second best director of the TOS films, and he certainly took the top spot in playing into the strengths of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy brotherhood in TFF, but Wise...no. Its the strange thing about TMP: Wise was a legendary director without question, while Goldsmith is easily in the rotating top three film/tv composers in history, but their work on TMP is not among their best. Meyer (and all involved in the development of TWOK) knew where a ST film needed to go in handling the characters--making them move their world in a earthy, realistic manner, and it was not in the static, soulless walk through drying concrete that Roddenberry actually believed would continue the spirit of TOS.

    Goldsmith moved through the 1970s composing one masterful, innovative score after another (the best of any composer in that decade), but he seemed to fall into the same trap as Stu Phillips when the latter created the score for Battlestar Galactica: after Star Wars, some got into their heads that movie sci-fi music had to be some psuedo-regal anthem full of bombast, and that was the polar opposite of the moving Courage theme to TOS, or the wonderful cues written by many throughout the run of the TV series. Perhaps its fitting that TMP's was used as the main title of TNG*, as so much of that Roddenberry-helmed series was just as stiff, soulless and giving new meaning to the idea of abusing technobabble.

    *Yes, I know Goldsmith re-purposed his TMP main title music for TFF, but that was one of the film's true creative shortcomings.
     
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  10. fireproof78

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    Definitely. The scenes on the Enterprise D were very dark.
     
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  11. Mytran

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    Picard Season 3: "Hold my beer" :whistle:
     
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  12. Zapp Brannigan

    Zapp Brannigan Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Compared side by side, the Enterprise-E is better-looking than the Enterprise-D.
     
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  13. Macintosh

    Macintosh Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Depends on your point of view of course. I think the Sovereign-class is a fine-looking ship, albeit in a somewhat soulless, corporate way, but then it was deliberately designed to be "pretty", and it has a lot of Eaves's trademark unnecessary fussiness (though thank god it avoided his obsession with negative spaces). But the Galaxy-class has a certain grandeur and vision to it that really no other starship class has, including the Sovereign.
     
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  14. Zapp Brannigan

    Zapp Brannigan Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I also like the E interior colors better, as well. The D has way too much beige, in my opinion.
     
  15. Shat Happens

    Shat Happens Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The problem is, if the people that make the things you don't like see many people liking he things they make, they'll make more things like that, and not the things you like.
     
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  16. Citiprime

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    Hard disagree.

    I think the Enterprise-E is indicative of John Eaves's design philosophy when it comes to Federation starships, which squashes/flattens Matt Jefferies's general saucer/drive-section template, and I'm not a fan. The ships lose their necks, the saucer becomes more and more an arrowhead instead of a saucer, and overall become elongated and angular.

    It just screams they were going for a more aggressive warship in the 90s X-treme era, but to me it comes off as more generic looking.

    There's a lot of things that can be said about the Enterprise-D's design, but it doesn't look generic. I'll take the Enterprise D's curves any day and twice on Sunday over the E's angled flatness. And even the interior is more memorable to me. The D's bridge is two levels with the horseshoe, where the E's is a single level and more closed-in.
     
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  17. Farscape One

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    Speaking of the Enterprise-D, I don't know if this is controversial or not...

    But I think the majority of the shots of her in season 1 and 2 were the best ones during the series' run. Especially shots like the one from "Q Who" after she's thrown back into Federation space after Q's finger snap. The way the light and angles are shown really make her look beautiful.
     
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  18. Zapp Brannigan

    Zapp Brannigan Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I mean, I like the more angular look. It's sleek and looks like it's fast

    I don't know if the Sovereign class is "x-treme" but I'd concede that it has a "don't mess with me" vibe to it. It's not looking to start a fight but it's prepared to finish one, if that makes sense.
     
  19. Tallguy

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    It's funny that the most enduring piece of design language from TNG (other than Okudagrams, of course) is the L shaped con and ops stations.
     
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  20. Macintosh

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    The D is very 80s with its beiges, but the E is very 90s with its earth tones. I don't necessarily prefer one over the other.