What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[knightgrace]

Any Woman is better looking than any Man...

Personally I like Victorian dresses. They look good for some reason...

Cat suits? Nah.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Speaking of "interesting" clothing choices, I'm counting the seconds before someone brings up what a great idea the skant was. Now that is a controversial topic!

I thought it was cool then and still do.

Imagine though, randomly for an episode Data or (brrr) Riker happen to be wearing one.

I cannot remove the image from my mind.

 

[BillJ]

Any Woman is better looking than any Man...

As straight as I am, I know that this is bullshit.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

No, I think my opinion that catsuits are the worst costuming decision in Star Trek is probably pretty controversial.

Oh for sure it is. I think plenty of people would point to the micro-mini skirts and go-go boots of TOS as being worse than catsuits. Especially considering the yoga pants proliferation in current women’s fashion.

I would argue, going through the entire regular casts, Deanna Troi's non-standard uniforms are almost objectively the worst. Most of them were form fitting.They included the bust enhancing (what Terry Farrell called 'mastectomy') bra. And the bust was always wide open.

And they exploited the latter as often as they could. Most shots of Sirtis are high-camera angles, allowing a better look at the cleavage.

And as far as I can tell, she was the only one who shows psychological effects from how she was costumed. Jeri Ryan complained about the physical discomfort and how Kate Mulgrew treated her. Nana Visitor actually never complained about the latter uniform, only the inclusion of heals (maybe there is more in her book about this). I don't remember Nichelle Nichols complaining, only that it was in the spirit of the era. However, Sirtis left the show feeling inadequate, to the point she had breast augmentation.

In conclusion, they revealed skin, enhanced body parts, create illusions, the production made sure every teenager got to see something, and left a psychological mark. And we can probably blame it on Gene.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

The catsuits are the worst costuming choice in the history and of Star Trek, beaten only perhaps by the Gorgon's outfit in "And the Children Shall Lead."

How do you feel about COURT MARTIAL?

 

[fireproof78]

How do you feel about COURT MARTIAL?

I reserve judgment.

 

[The Wormhole]

Imagine though, randomly for an episode Data or (brrr) Riker happen to be wearing one.

Ten-Forward lit up with neon lights, techno music, the works. Riker gets up on the tables and starts busting moves while wearing a skant uniform two sizes too small. The next morning, on the bridge, Riker props his foot on the ledge of Data's console and yawns.
Riker: "Wild party, last night."
Data: "Yes sir, that is obvious."
Riker: "What do you mean by that Mr. Data?"
Data: "You are still attired in the same outfit you wore to Ten-Forward last night, Commander."
Picard walks out of his ready room, sees Riker wearing a skant two sizes too small with his foot propped on the ledge of Data's console. Riker immediately removes his foot from Data's ledge and stands at attention. Picard freezes for a few seconds, turns around and goes back inside the ready room.

 

[knightgrace]

By the way, I included Medusa in being better than I am.

What's a few snakes for hair? Among friends...

Oh, and further by the way, around 2013 there was a two season TV series called 'Atlantis' it was strongly implied that a Christian could safely look upon Medusa. So, most of us are safe. ;^)

 

[Paul755]

I would argue, going through the entire regular casts, Deanna Troi's non-standard uniforms are almost objectively the worst. Most of them were form fitting.They included the bust enhancing (what Terry Farrell called 'mastectomy') bra. And the bust was always wide open.

And they exploited the latter as often as they could. Most shots of Sirtis are high-camera angles, allowing a better look at the cleavage.

And as far as I can tell, she was the only one who shows psychological effects from how she was costumed. Jeri Ryan complained about the physical discomfort and how Kate Mulgrew treated her. Nana Visitor actually never complained about the latter uniform, only the inclusion of heals (maybe there is more in her book about this). I don't remember Nichelle Nichols complaining, only that it was in the spirit of the era. However, Sirtis left the show feeling inadequate, to the point she had breast augmentation.

In conclusion, they revealed skin, enhanced body parts, create illusions, the production made sure every teenager got to see something, and left a psychological mark. And we can probably blame it on Gene.

Yeah, a lot of the time what Troi was wearing was way more “objectionable” than Seven…or T’Pol.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yeah, a lot of the time what Troi was wearing was way more “objectionable” than Seven…or T’Pol.

She was out of uniform. Jellico set her straight.

 

[Riley]

TMP is superior to TWOK and the rest of the TOS films.

TFF is a solid Star Trek film that suffered by following an epic trilogy as well as other factors.

TNG's first two seasons have a spirit and tone that is far more compelling, interesting, and fun than the seasons that followed.

TOS deserved another TV series, which would have likely been far better than the films.

The TNG films are awful and don't exist in my head canon.

The Enterprise-B should have been a standard Excelsior Class starship.

TNG treated the TOS characters horribly with the exception of McCoy and Spock, though the latter was severely underused.

Riker died as a character when Picard survived "The Best of Both Worlds." Thomas Riker could have fixed that problem but should have happened in the fourth season.

 

[CRM-114]

Yeah, it feels forced to me. The framing device doesn’t work. I don’t find Old Jake’s conversations with the aspiring author to be, well, particularly inspired.

Not growing up with a father figure, I used to assume “The Visitor” didn’t hit for me the same way it does for others because I lack a point of real relation. And that might still be part of it, certainly. But on my most recent rewatch, my takeaway was that it’s got the potential for a good story. It doesn’t get there. A deep reworking of that framer would have helped.

Also, I realize there’s nothing that could have been done about it, but what a weird timeline this Jake grew up in - the Dominion never actually attacks outright? The Klingons keep being bullies for years and years, and it all blows over re: the Gamma Quadrant? An odd potentiality! Taken on its own, “The Visitor” would suggest to any first-time DS9 viewer that there’s really not much to worry about, going forward. I know that’s getting unnecessarily meta, but it kind of hurts my head, haha.

Obviously, I’m aware that I am in the slimmest of minorities on this one. Most adore the episode. I’ve only ever met one other person who dislikes it. Heck, I’m not even sure I dislike it, so much as I find it to be decidedly average.

I can understand about the timeline stuff, although it could be inferred that Sisko's presence (or lack thereof) did affect the Dominion's actions.

As for the framing, I think it only really matters since Jake needs someone to tell his story to. Maybe it's because it isn't really about the girl, who really only exists to ask the questions that move Jake to tell his story. I think it's a very good episode, by no means is it flawless.

 

[CRM-114]

Something I find disturbing about The Visitor is how Adult Jake completely flushes his life down the drain because he lost his father when he was a boy- even lost Sisko comments on that.

Granted, it's probably harder to give that closure in your life when your father randomly keeps popping up every five years or so and doesn't age, than when he'd actually died.

That's what makes it so effective: knowing that Sisko is still out there somewhere and can keep reappearing basically makes closure impossible for Jake. Moving on would mean abandoning his dad.

 

[cooleddie74]

TOS Season 3 is better than any season of PIC and at least two seasons of DSC.

 

[Riley]

TNG seasons 1-3 are better than seasons 4-7, or at least more creative, with a few exceptions (on both sides)

If only more people realized this is true!

 

[Ovation]

PIC is at its most interesting when it is at its least TNG-like.